Do you support a Mosque at Ground Zero?

[nutmeg]

I can't have my Christmas tree yet they can have a footbath.

 

[bugscoe]

Remember when Obama said “bitter” small-town Americans “cling to guns or religion”.

Why is he clinging now?

 

[Yannis]

Dem Campaign Plans WRT Mosque Debacle

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from bearmountain:

I think you are comparing apples and oranges. Our fight is with al quaida and not Muslims or Islam.

For four years we lived about a block away from the old WTC in Battery Park, every year on the anniversary of 911, for hours we would hear the names being read aloud of those killed on that one horrific day. Some of the names being read were Muslim names, i believe 300 Muslims died in the WTC on 911, about 10% of those killed. On my way to work I would stop by the lower level of WTC near the subway to buy a newspaper, the people who ran the newspaper stand were all muslims from Bangladesh. Poor people trying to scratch a living, not terrorist. I remember all their faces well, I hope they made it out, I suspect some of them perished that day. Muslims not terrorists worked in the subway sandwich shop, au bon pain, worked as security guards making minimum wage. All trying to espace their impoverished war torn countries.

Funny how surgical the left is with their tolerance and understanding of Islam, yet seem to use a very broad brush in condemning other religions. Makes one wonder!

 

[Mav88]

Regarding intolerance, I would have to place the unfortuantely up and coming foxnewsism as crushing all other blind belief systems.

I don't watch it much, and that red herring is logically irrelevent to my point... typical

the fact that some don't partake is irrelevent, but the fact that they don't try and stop it, is. In private most muslims despise the west and non muslims however most will put on a good face in public. They are taught how to appear kind and patient as part of the training that starts at birth.
Don't confuse interaction with individual muslims with group behavior. Almost anyone will be polite and kind in a setting where nothing is at stake, like a fruit stand. Some terrorists themsleves have often been known to be seemingly nice people before they killed. If however you assemble a large number of muslims and they start to assert their political will, the story is almost always violent and intolerant.

and you believe this, really and truly?

yup, many years of personal experience and observation

I suggest a visit to any muslim dominated nation, or the muslim ghettos of europe.

I can't say i have been to the muslim ghettos of Europe but i wholeheartedly agree with you in recommending a trip to the Muslim dominated nations as Turkey, Malaysia, Jordan and even Morocco were great (though I did get ripped off for a carpet in Morocco)

Good for tourist you, but that doesn't take away all the muslim violence and intolerance against non-muslims in those places. Have you checked out immigration rates? do ya think non-muslims are stampeding into those places? Raise your hand if you want the USA to be like morrocco.

Turkey: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/137952

Contrary to earlier reports, it has now been confirmed that the Muslim who murdered a Vatican official in Turkey last week did so for religious reasons.


Luigi Padovese, who represented the Vatican as Vicar Apostolic of Anatolia, Turkey, was murdered last week by his long-time driver, a Muslim extremist. It was originally reported that the murderer was insane, but it is now known that the murder was carried out for religious reasons.


Christian elements in Turkey say that many Muslim attacks on Christians are “covered up” by calling the murderers “insane” and the like. Such incidents include five murders and three other knife attacks of Christians, most of them near the victims' churches or other Christian institutions, all in the past four years. In Israel, the PA has often claimed that Arabs who stab Israeli guards are mentally disturbed.

In other Turkish violence, 15 people were wounded in a pipe-bomb attack in Istanbul on Tuesday. The explosives were placed aside a police van, injuring policemen and passersby.

Morrocco: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/27/world/africa/27morocco.html

In a rare interview, Yassine Mansouri, Morocco’s chief of intelligence, said that the arrested politicians “used their political activities as a cover for terrorist activities.”

“It was not our aim to stop a political party,” he said. “There is a law to be followed.”

Morocco is threatened, Mr. Mansouri said, by two extremes — the conservative Wahhabism spread by Saudi Arabia and the Shiism spread by Iran. “We consider them both aggressive,” Mr. Mansouri said. “Radical Islam has the wind in its sail, and it remains a threat.”

Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, especially active in Algeria, remains a major problem for Morocco, Mr. Mansouri said. Officials say it is appealing to the young and has recreated a training route to Afghanistan through Pakistan, and it just sponsored a suicide bombing in Mauritania.

Foreign Minister Taïeb Fassi Fihri said: “We know where the risks to our stability are. We know kids are listening to this Islamic song, so we have to act quickly.”

King Mohammed, who celebrated his 10th year on the throne this year, has vowed to help the poor and wipe out the slums, called “bidonvilles,” where radicalism is bred. One such slum, Sidi Moumen, where the bombers lived, is being redeveloped. Half of it has already been ripped down, and some 700 families shipped to the outskirts of the city, where they are provided a small plot of land at a cheap price to build new housing.

malaysia: http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/religion/Malaysian-Churches-Face-Violence-82780992.html

Christian churches in Malaysia are trying to cope with recent violence in the officially-Muslim, but religiously tolerant country.

The violence followed a court ruling that overturned a government ban on the use of the word “Allah” by non-Muslims. A Roman Catholic publication led the fight to overturn the ban.

Christians had used the word “Allah” for “God” for hundreds of years. But some Muslims worried that the practice could encourage Muslim conversions to Christianity, something that is illegal in Malaysia.

Eleven Christian churches, a Sikh temple and a mosque have been attacked in violence that followed the 31 December ruling.

The Christian Federation of Malaysia condemned the attacks and issued a statement calling on Malaysians to stand against such violence. It also called on police to continue to maintain peace and security.

Jordan: http://www.currenttrends.org/research/detail/the-jordanian-regime-fights-the-war-of-ideas

In recent years, the Jordanian regime has faced a growing threat to its stability from violent as well as politically radical Islamic groups. The most blatant expressions of this were the rocket attacks on Aqaba in May 2005 and the subsequent attacks on hotels in Amman in November of the same year. These attacks were carried out by groups affiliated with the late Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and the al-Qaeda organization in Iraq.

Even after Zarqawi’s demise in 2006, however, the Jordanian regime did not let up on its efforts to confront radical Islamic groups. Instead, it continued to fight an all-out war against radical Islamic organizations. Unlike other states in the region and elsewhere whose activity against radical Islam concentrates primarily on military-terrorist aspects, the Jordanian regime has aimed explicitly at weakening radical salafi ideology, and specifically, takfiri ideology, which it sees as a main source from which Islamist terror and radical political movements spring. In this struggle with extremist ideology, the Jordanian regime has focused on two connected objectives: de-legitimizing and refuting radical salafi ideas, and disseminating a more moderate, traditional conception of Islam in the hopes of “immunizing” susceptible publics against extremist Islam. In addition to tackling radical ideology in this two-fold way domestically, the Jordanian regime has also attempted to discredit radical ideas and mobilize moderate Islamic forces throughout the Muslim world.1

Yeah, those wonderful bastions of free thinking tolerance and peace. BTW are the south park producers still alive? They were recent targets of the religion of peace and tolerance.

 

[bearmountain]

Quote from Mav88:

But their fight is with you. All of Islam views themsleves as in struggle with the west and other religions.

No islam, no al quaida, it's that simple. Islam is the incubator of hate, it is the enabling belief system and support structure for al quaida. No other belief system spawns so much violence and intolerance, the fact that some don't partake is irrelevent, but the fact that they don't try and stop it, is. In private most muslims despise the west and non muslims however most will put on a good face in public. They are taught how to appear kind and patient as part of the training that starts at birth.

I suggest a visit to any muslim dominated nation, or the muslim ghettos of europe.

I think I understand what you are saying, but you will find extremist within all groups. Just look at this forum, its the same handful of people with extreme views. Newt/palin/rush are supported by about 15% of the voters, that is why newt/palin will never get elected.

btw. good post, I like when people talk to each other, rather than past each other.

 

[bearmountain]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

Funny how surgical the left is with their tolerance and understanding of Islam, yet seem to use a very broad brush in condemning other religions. Makes one wonder!

The left is not condemning of other religions, just standing up for the constitution. Which Republicans the party of Abraham Lincoln, and supposedly the defenders of the constitution should be doing, standing up for equal rights of everyone, regardless of race, religion or creed. We should not be interpreting the constitution based on public opinion polls. Thanks.

 

[Mav88]

There are other insular religious groups, like the Amish, but they don't spawn violent militants, or rape gangs, or death threats.

Islam idealogy is an aggressive conquering theology. It stands out as dangerous.

 

[Mav88]

The left is not condemning of other religions, just standing up for the constitution. Which Republicans the party of Abraham Lincoln, and supposedly the defenders of the constitution should be doing, standing up for equal rights of everyone, regardless of race, religion or creed. We should not be interpreting the constitution based on public opinion polls. Thanks.

I stand for equal rights only for those who grant the same to me.

Here's what the left fails to grasp- in any fundy religion, their dogma is placed above the constitution. They are not worthy of being granted constitutional protection. When Sharia is in conflict with the constitution, guess what wins in the muslim mind?

 

[BloodTrader]

Quote from omegapoint:

How about we build a clown school on Ronald Reagans grave?

A perfect tribute to that moron. Good idea.