Do NOT Take Vitamins

Quote from vhehn:

the problem as i see it is that there is evidence that the body does not utilize supplements in the same way that it uses natural nutrients from food. taking fish oil may not be the same benifit as eating salmon. the supplement industry being some of the biggest scammers in america does not help us to learn the truth either.

I could believe that about synthetic vitamins, but fish oil comes directly from the fish! If you get a decent brand, there is nothing else in it. When you eat a salmon, you eat only part of it. Same thing.
 
Quote from Optionspoet:

I wipe my ass with these studies.

An article was published the other day with a huge headline stating that eating eggs leads to premature death.

Upon reading further they found another correlation between the test subjects, the consumption of eggs and the early mortality rate:

They all were obese, did not exercise, drank, smoked, etc.

But I guess the eggs are the culprit...

Guy comes in to the bar and asks for 5 strait shots of vodka.

Waiter: would you like anything to eat?
Guy: No

in a few minutes guy asks for another 5 shots.

Waiter: would you like anything to eat?
Guy: No

in a few minutes guy asks for another 5 shots.

Waiter: would you like anything to eat?
Guy: No
Waiter: Barmen will not serve you anymore unless you eat something.
Guy: Fine. Bring me piece of bread.

So guy drinks last five shots, upon trying to bite bread falls on the floor.

Guy: See what your piece of bread did to me?
 
Quote from promagma:

I took vitamins for years, and just got sicker and sicker.

In particular - don't take supplemental Vitamin D. It isn't even a vitamin.

http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind

She writes well and makes a good sales pitch but she didn't get me sold. That 20 to 30 years to notice the effects of vitamin D, well how are you going to prove or disprove anything with that time span. And her conclusions are opposed to many other scientist and doctors that read the same studies. I will read up on this some more when I have some time.
 
Yes, it is impossible to prove or disprove at this point .... but based on my own experiences, I do believe that l-form bacteria and Vitamin D dysregulation are behind most chronic illness. If you look at how the evidence lines up, it is certainly possible, and even plausible.
 
Quote from ByLoSellHi:

This seems to be a very credible study, and pretty much damns the health benefits of taking vitamin supplements - it even claims people taking such supplements, particularly Vitamin A and E and beta carotene, increase their mortality risk.

If you don't eat sensibly, pills and chemists can't save you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7349980.stm

yes that's true.

saw it on tv few weeks ago. several hundred studies were done about that. result is what you posted. higher mortality.

fact - obviously. pills are no replacement for good food.
 
Quote from Jayford:

I could believe that about synthetic vitamins, but fish oil comes directly from the fish! If you get a decent brand, there is nothing else in it. When you eat a salmon, you eat only part of it. Same thing.

Let me just point out one thing that there seems to be a common misunderstanding about, and that is that synthetic vitamins, of which there are few that can be economically synthesized, are absolutely identical to so-called natural vitamins in every respect. For example, the main synthetic vitamin that is widely available is vitamin C. The chemical name is ascorbic acid and synthetic ascorbic acid and natural vitamin C are identical molecules. It makes absolutely no difference, as far as meeting vitamin C requirements goes, whether you eat oranges or swallow a tablet. (Oranges have other nutrients (mainly sugar) and fiber of course.)

Many years ago now, Linus Pauling pointed out that the mdr level set by the FDA for folic acid was woefully inadequate and that folic acid was very commonly deficient in US diets. He recommended that everyone take a folic acid supplement (400 mcg/day). Years later it was discovered that folic acid deficiency was the culprit in a not uncommon spinal birth defect, and pregnant women are advised to take folic acid supplements. But everyone should, with the possible exception of vegetarians, who probably ingest adequate amounts of folic acid.

Keep in mind that the FDA mdr requirements are based on the minimum levels to prevent disease and are not necessarily the optimum levels. But of course if a little of something is good for you a lot is not necessarily better.
 
Quote from piezoe:


Let me just point out one thing that there seems to be a common misunderstanding about, and that is that synthetic vitamins, of which there are few that can be economically synthesized, are absolutely identical to so-called natural vitamins in every respect. For example, the main synthetic vitamin that is widely available is vitamin C. The chemical name is ascorbic acid and synthetic ascorbic acid and natural vitamin C are identical molecules. It makes absolutely no difference, as far as meeting vitamin C requirements goes, whether you eat oranges or swallow a tablet. (Oranges have other nutrients (mainly sugar) and fiber of course.)

yes it DOES make a difference if you take vitamin c as a tablet vs. eating fruits or vegetables. the effects of vitamins in the body depend on the other ingredients of fruits, etc. - and THAT is the difference.
 
Vitamin A and Beta Carotene are a couple of the more toxic common vitamins. Not surprising that overdosing on them is bad. The Vitamin E link though is something new for me to file away. It's the vitamin related to fish oil right?
 
Quote from gerry875:

yes it DOES make a difference if you take vitamin c as a tablet vs. eating fruits or vegetables. the effects of vitamins in the body depend on the other ingredients of fruits, etc. - and THAT is the difference.

From my perspective, and i admit that i am a prisoner of my education, i think that in general it would not be true that the "effects of vitamins in the body depend on other ingredients of fruits, etc." In fact it seems highly unlikely. However, I can see a case being made for what you consume with vitamins affecting their absorbtion. Perhaps that is what you meant.

Certainly, eating an orange or drinking a glass of orange juice is more enjoyable then swallowing a tablet. On the other hand the tablet is going to give you a lot more Vitamin C than a few oranges. One 500 mg tablet is about equivalent to 7 eight-ounce glasses of juice.
 
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