Do Jews have a future in America?

Quote from steve46:

On a practical level it is obvious to me that as long as people have a taste for deli food, Jews will always have a future wherever they are. ...
stevie, i love you for that and the rest of your post. why are the
lefties always the guys with the brains and the righties always
those with hypocrite morality instead of ... brains?

strange, whenever i am with real lefties (what i call left), i find
myself very right of them. but when i am with the righties i am
even more left from them. since i find "middle" quite boring i dare
to invent: i am an uppy. just sounds fuckn' arrogant ... will learn
to live with that ...
 
An erudite and interesting rant. I disagree with it though.
Firstly, there is nothing "unique" about the Jewish holocaust. There have been many attempts at planned ethnic cleansing, even recently we have had Srebrenica in Bosnia-Herzogovina, Albanians in Kosovo, Darfur etc.
There have been many attempts also to exterminate a 'class'. Under Pol-Pot the 'educated and intellectual' class was effectively 'culled', same in the first few years of post- revolutionary Russia and many other instances.
Over the years the Jews have participated in this filthy business no more and no less as much as 'non-Jews' have and should stop making out they have always been the victims of Gentile oppression.
It is this Jewish sanctimoniousness which sickens me.
 
Quote from Alex_in_Oz:

An erudite and interesting rant. I disagree with it though.
Firstly, there is nothing "unique" about the Jewish holocaust. There have been many attempts at planned ethnic cleansing, even recently we have had Srebrenica in Bosnia-Herzogovina, Albanians in Kosovo, Darfur etc.
There have been many attempts also to exterminate a 'class'. Under Pol-Pot the 'educated and intellectual' class was effectively 'culled', same in the first few years of post- revolutionary Russia and many other instances.
Over the years the Jews have participated in this filthy business no more and no less as much as 'non-Jews' have and should stop making out they have always been the victims of Gentile oppression.
It is this Jewish sanctimoniousness which sickens me.
problem is that such discussion tends to dminish the pain of one
victim or the other, which i do not want to do. in terms of cruelty,
planning, ethnical reaosons there are many cases of the same
quality. in terms of size, organisational effort, cultural standing
of where it happened, length of process and escpecially the level
of organisation, i still think it is unique.

read jewish literature. it is not about being holy, being superior.
it is about poverty, pain, fear, survivorship and loss. you must bring
critic to the right adressee, otherwise it itself must be critisised.
THE jews are just, hurt, hurt, hurt. that is where they are coming
from. and they want to spread that message in order to make it
not happen again. thought about that as their main motivation
for bringing the shoa to public attention?
 
Quote from man:

somone referring to others as lefties, is quite right of them, right,
righty? i am allowed to call you "righty"? fine. so we have that settled.
let us see: "smearing faeces on the American flag", "dipping a
crucifix in urine" versus "sexists", "racists" and "antisemites".

hm, i am usually not getting "tear-eyed" by the first, but i am
actually quite in line with the latter getting "fined", "muzzled" and
if appropriate: "jailed". and i would guess that your post indicates
that you see it the opposite way (with all ifs and whens it will
boil down to that).

"smearing faeces on the American flag", and "dipping a crucifix in
urine" at best is placing violence on ... things. they might be very
precious to some, and they are to me, but they are ... things. or
better to say: symbols for something else. and this else cannot
really be hurt from my perspective in a way that would justify
muzzling, fining or jailing. poor art is poor art and stupid utterings
speak for themselves. would not care too much.

on the other hand "sexists", "racists", "antisemites" are directly
hurting people. not via their belief but by there very nature, their
sex, their race or their origin.

so let us bring it down to: i care more about people and you care
more about symbols and ... things. can sign to that, righty.


I have no desire to hurt anybody, only to permit truth to be spoken. Speaking such truth may offend some people, that is certain, but that is only pyschological harm, the same as is suffered when one's most treasured symbols are debased.

Causing unjustifiable physical harm to people is wrong and loathesome.
 
Quote from spect8or:

Speaking such truth may offend some people, that is certain, but that is only pyschological harm, the same as is suffered when one's most treasured symbols are debased.
i agree ... in theory. ... :)
 
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