Do I Need to Hire a Fundamental Analyst?

The founder, William O'Neill, of Investor's Business Daily has written some good books on trading/investing in books based on Fundamentals and TA, I actually like his approach CAN SLIM
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=william+o'neil+books
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=canslim+method+pdf
http://www.investors.com/ibd-university/can-slim/
http://www.readtheticker.com/Pages/IndLibrary.aspx?65tf=168_william-j-oneil-canslim
And
http://investors.morningstar.com/ne...ulture=en-US&ProductCode=mle&resourceId=83565

Of all the approaches I have read on stock trading, this only one I know works as I use to trade it in late 1980s/90s, but now I use charts, TA. If I am iffy on a stock, I will take a look at the fundamentals if I am seeking more of a dividend long term keeper. Sometimes, not often, but sometimes the FA will explain what their future might show and not the chart, like if they expensed huge one year cause they wrote off accounts receivable due to another company going belly up, or new accounting system, but if they continue to have more revenue 3 of last 4 years, sales continue to increase can explain away what the charts are showing.

But I was doing CAN SLIM for number of years as it made sense to me, but then the years I was trading it was start of huge Bull market and monkey throwing darts might have done as well or better. I don't use it as much now cause of automation whipping through 15,000 stocks looking for gem as I usually stick to 50 stock/ETFs to trade both up and down. I try to stay with non dividend stocks and ETFs to short as I don't want to have to pay dividends, but if a stock just paid their dividends, I would short it as most of my stocks trades have three month or less durations, whereas be long for years type stocks I collect the dividends. Either buying core of stocks once every 10-20 years when market makes huge decline OR watch commodity markets and looking for ten year lows then look for stocks that will be showing bottoming and buy those where they have dividends like Crude Oil or Coffee companies, you can get in much cheaper thereby getting much bigger percentage dividends, but as stock rises, percentage lowers as all based on value of the stock when bought.


yes,,, i recall reading on CANSLIM,,, its been a while and i actually forgot about it all together iam going to check out ur links because i do recall that they do have a service where the summarize their info which makes it not too much of a burden for me to undestand considering i keep my maximum efforts in forex and futures,,,, thank u thank u,,, and thanks for sharing the stories they do come in handy
 
Everyone thinks there a genius in a bullish market then everyone jumps out of high windows when it turns bearish and they lose it all.

The Trick is to only do what your doing as long as the Bull Market runs, the issue is, you'll likely stop wayyyy short of it.


i agree, thats why iam preparing to systematize and standardize the entire process so that iam confident of it when market starts dropping,,, despite the fact i have human and earning capital to be able to average down viciously i would like to make sure that with my strategy iam picking up the most solid companies that will weather the storm smoother than others... and most importantly if possible avoid failing ones,,,, cuz one failing means a total loss of 10k which means it would take 5.5 winning stocks to make it up since i exit at 18% profit (3 years worth of dividend)
 
I say "no".

The charts show what players are actually DOING with their money. That's what you need to be in-tune with as much as possible.

i agree here, but my goal is NOT to constantly read stock charts,,, i maintain that energy and focus for developing the systems in forex and futures which is where ive been successful trading the most,,, ive been successful in stocks investing wise, but i can not say that i succeeded in stocks TRADING,, and considering that i max out my pretax contributions in ira and 401k it helps me average down sharply,,, but as my stock portfolio gets larger and larger of course its gonna be harder to average down thus iam working on staying passive and adding more inputs to the process so that when a downturn comes iam confident in the approach of investing
 
You mean exploratory analysis like this.

ABBV AbbVie BA Boeing BBY Best Buy CAT Caterpillar COH Coach CSCO Cisco http://i.imgur.com/CCP8hDa.png
CTL CenturyLink http://i.imgur.com/eJB6u0f.png
CVX Chevron http://i.imgur.com/pUf2GVd.png
D Dominion http://i.imgur.com/cT30nrF.png
DOW Dow Chemical http://i.imgur.com/AHre1v3.png
DUK Duke Energy http://i.imgur.com/NNY9XXP.png
ED Consololidated Edison http://i.imgur.com/CRxKQXn.png
EMR Emerson Electric http://i.imgur.com/RaQKpwC.png
EXC Exelon Corp http://i.imgur.com/TFJ57qT.png
EXR Extrage Space Storage http://i.imgur.com/6bEGrrm.png
F Ford Motor http://i.imgur.com/j2Mq0ns.png
GM General Motors http://i.imgur.com/XlhE3Ir.png
GPS Gap http://i.imgur.com/uoc7nNg.png
HOG Harley-Davidson http://i.imgur.com/C7WSLjH.png
HRB Block H&R http://i.imgur.com/vV8JS72.png
IBM Intl Business Machines http://i.imgur.com/Km5etpv.png
INTC Intel http://i.imgur.com/pufJDbV.png
IP International Paper http://i.imgur.com/TowdpT8.png
JWN Nordstrom http://i.imgur.com/BRQeeBo.png
KSS Kohl's http://i.imgur.com/ahhDO3h.png
LB L Brands http://i.imgur.com/fidZ8Tb.png
LVS Las Vegas Sands http://i.imgur.com/2gidcQf.png
M Macy's http://i.imgur.com/GGs1Q5X.png
MET Metlife http://i.imgur.com/tWYB5F6.png
MO Altria Group http://i.imgur.com/WmTjOBU.png
MRK Merck & Co http://i.imgur.com/rLdKpEw.png
OXY Occidental Petro http://i.imgur.com/2TU9w1g.png
PFE Pfizer http://i.imgur.com/lJd44dy.png
PG Procter & Gamble http://i.imgur.com/JeDFH9k.png
PM Philip Morris http://i.imgur.com/vOhjZuq.png
PRU Prudential http://i.imgur.com/6OKDj5c.png
QCOM Qualcomm http://i.imgur.com/zgShMjz.png
RAI Reynolds American http://i.imgur.com/MjV5X6p.png
SE Spectra Energy http://i.imgur.com/gp4PzwE.png
SO Southern Co http://i.imgur.com/pTV1UKD.png
SPLS Staples http://i.imgur.com/JAQe179.png
T AT&T http://i.imgur.com/lVJvzKL.png
TRI Thompson http://i.imgur.com/ZEdr5lc.png
VLO Valero Energy http://i.imgur.com/hZB6j9n.png
VZ Verizon http://i.imgur.com/NMc8b7d.png
WFC Wells Fargo http://i.imgur.com/0r5hn2d.png
WU Western Union http://i.imgur.com/QNAHcx6.png
XOM Exxon Mobil http://i.imgur.com/yoFONWc.png

And for reference YM Dow Index http://i.imgur.com/IQp4fwd.png


iam not sure i undestand,,
 
Sounds like you're searching for support for your desire to justify "fundamental analysis something".

Fundies are always subjective and often incomplete... that is, fundamental analysis often misses things of importance... some of which is intentional deception.

Going to say this one last time. FORGET FUNDAMENTAL ANALYSIS. Whatever fundamentals are important will be reflected in the charts. If it's not "in the charts", it's not important. When "something fundamental becomes important", its anticipation will already have been reflected in the charts.

Feel free to disagree.


i TOTALLY agree cuz iam from the school of thought that u come from as welll,, but lets dive deeper a bit please,,, lets take a look at MACYS right now for example,,, at 25.16 the stock would be yielding 6%,, charts tell us stock is hammer, stock is on down trend,,, etc i get it,,, but iam looking to buy the stock at 25.16 and collect 6% dividend if keeps going lower or sell it if it goes up 18% which is 3 years worth of dividend which makes its price29.68,,,, the question is dont u think fundamental analysis here would add value on whether this company is staying in business, maintaining dividend? if insiders are selling? buying?? etc,,, ur inputs are appreciated it
 
When you say 'hire a fundamental analyst' why not just accentuate your personal knowledge with a service like Morningstar or somesuch?


thats what i debating whether its worth it for me to do the work without finding myself straying from my main trading of forex and futures or whether i should just hire an analyst to do the fundamentals
 
thats what i debating whether its worth it for me to do the work without finding myself straying from my main trading of forex and futures or whether i should just hire an analyst to do the fundamentals

Can you hire 1 for like a few hours a month say $100 per hour, or would you have to hire 1 full time, get the feeling they'd want 100K per year, that's going to swallow huge amounts of your profits unless your already a multi millionaire ofcourse.

And if you are, go have fun spending it, don't try to become richer.
 
Can you hire 1 for like a few hours a month say $100 per hour, or would you have to hire 1 full time, get the feeling they'd want 100K per year, that's going to swallow huge amounts of your profits unless your already a multi millionaire ofcourse.

And if you are, go have fun spending it, don't try to become richer.


yes definetly not a mutli millionaire yet, idealy what u said i believe works very good, i can confrotably afford one for a 100 dollar an hour for lets say 4-8 hours a month at least as of now,,, and probably if he is in rythem with what he does he probably wouldnt need much time to provide me with the basic fundamental analysis iam after,,, thanks thanks ,, this is all helping
 
thats what i debating whether its worth it for me to do the work without finding myself straying from my main trading of forex and futures or whether i should just hire an analyst to do the fundamentals

Stay in futures and forex. From what I can see of your wish to do in this "collecting dividends from companies falling in value", you really are grasping at straws. How's that dollar-gas card idea going by the way? And your progress in starting up your own hedge fund?
 
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