Do full-time forex traders exist or is it just make believe?

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Hopefully this Brazil guys results pass the test.

It would be cool if someone was really making great returns in a bucket shop. (without having the plug pulled on him-- because we know these shops DO NOT want to see their customers be profitable!)

Look at all these systems:
http://www.myfxbook.com/most-popular-forex-systems

triple and quadruple digit % gains, etc-- most of them stating they are real money accounts.

so can we trust this site or not? :confused:

I hardly can imagine how these results can be faked. Probably can be, but doubt it's worth that. What can be gained by posting faked statements there? Some ego boost? LOL

Now as for bucket shops. Not all of those trade against their clients. As it comes from the name, they simply offset clients trades against each other, while grabbing the spread on every trade. Pretty simple and profitable business in my view. If they can't find enough to offset clients positions, they simply hedge it via some real FX liquidity pool.

Can they also turn offsetting off and take the other side of losing clients? Definitely.

Do they have to act this way in order to be profitable and carry risk of being shut down by FSA or CFTC? No, they don't.

We are speaking about bucket shops registered in developed countries here, not some crap registered on Malta, Cyprus etc.

P. S. As for top results, most systems are come and go one hit wonders. They have no idea what sane risk management etc. is. Same with Zulutrade and other similar platforms. So don't be excited by their returns, look at their win rate, max drawdown and other metrics. Chances are you'll find some sceleton in their closet. Seriously consistent traders are relatively rare. But they do exist. :)
 
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Correct and as you saw I chewed his balls off for that risk. But it was more than just holding overnight, it was incorrect position sizing in that statement too. No it wasn't an emotional gamble because the method requires mapping out the future moves and when you are in a position and it is going in the right direction then you can monitor that movement using bigger time frames. His larger time frames were all spot on. Regardless, I don't hold overnight and that's my style and not an absolute for others. I have a friend who is a great trader and most of his trading is overnight holds.

When an account has reached the level to conservatively fund your maximum position size and you have built up a reserve I don't see any problem with over night holding but, when you are growing the account it may not be a good idea unless that is your strategy. I just find at the end of a trading day I want to close out and put my focus elsewhere for a recharge rather than think about holding.

Yes the framework is very strict with small stops and strong set ups and his next trading day was 140 pips $120/pip. This is all day trading usually off the 1 min chart but looking to roll that into a bigger time frame swing which at times will roll on into the 4 hour time frame.

He's been trading every day till now from the dates shown apart from 3 days sick and the holidays. He has not had a losing day but he does make mistakes and had to recover from a -30 and -40 on two or three occasions to get into positive territory. The lowest score was 11 pips and I think I am correct that every other day has been over 20 pips. Several days have been over 100 with the 140 being tops so far but his skill is improving.

Next month he will be on $200+/pip and he's averaging around 40 pips a day at the moment disregarding the spikes like 140 pips in that average. Averaging 40 pips a day is not groundbreaking and it beats me why turning $10K into $1,000,000 is so unbelievable to guys that think they are ET hotshots.

The method is one I developed over almost 30 yrs and is a multiple time frame based predictive model where the day is mapped out in advance then then inside that I work on a 60m GamePlan inside the daily MAP. Finally we take that context into the 1 min time frame zone but not limited to time based charts so we can go below the 1 min. This allows stops of around 5 pips and a very high hit rate. The rookie has a lot of growing yet to do because every day he misses some great set ups but I factored that into the challenge and without any improvement he has the $1,000,000 goal in the bag.

I'd be disappointed if he doesn't hit $1,500,000 which on a percentage basis is 15,000% but that growth curve will have leveled out by month 6 when liquidity becomes more of an issue. So next year he will make more $'s but on a greatly reduced % growth. That's why I'm not looking for investors or selling books or whatever else and need to go into ATS to expand horizontally rather than vertically.

As an aside, I guy I know is one of the biggest ES traders in the world and at times he hits 20,000 contracts in a single trade which is the exchange limit. He trades from home and 6 yrs back had a small account. He uses TA and if you ask him for a statement to prove it he'll tell you where to take your statement.

Cornix, CVD and I trade with a senior ex HF manager who just trades his own account and he only uses TA. I'd rate him as one of the best traders there is and it is such a simple method to look at. Mine is a very complex method by comparison but that just how it worked out.

Thanks for answering. :)
 
Guys like I say I have tunnel vision about what I do and miss a lot of what goes on elsewhere.

I've been thinking of getting the account linked to somewhere others can piggyback on. I know a little about Zulu but I don't know the positives Vs negatives and I don't know if there's a better way to do it.

I'd appreciate any information and suggestions from anyone with real first hand experience.

trade4you_brazi... the rookie is trading spot on IB and there are no lots there. From the get go I had planned in DD and even expected week 1 as a loss. Risk per trade is around 1% now. It just so happens there hasn't been a losing day since week 1 but that doesn't mean get reckless. I am very aware we live in the craziest trading environment ever when anything can happen so therefore imo something big sooner or later will black swan us. About the best we can do is have a tight server side stop as most shock moves have a minor wiggle before the crash and it's usually big enough to trigger the stop. If you are on top of it on a small time frame there is a decent chance of getting in, but not always.
 
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Simpletrades: $1200? I won't knock it because you could have started with $10 for all I know. You're are exactly the kind of person I'd like to compete with. You show some steady results. Just transfer your accounts to MB or Oanda. We get some more people and we'll have a good contest. For me, the contest could be micros, minis, or full lots. It's all the same to me. The point is to show the loser trolls that consistent returns are not THAT difficult to make.


I just opened an account with Oanda a few weeks ago, and I can't for the life me understand their margin requirements. I have it set for 50 to 1, but a mini lot require $563 maintenance margin. This doesn't make sense. What am I doing wrong???
 

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Guys like I say I have tunnel vision about what I do and miss a lot of what goes on elsewhere.

I've been thinking of getting the account linked to somewhere others can piggyback on. I know a little about Zulu but I don't know the positives Vs negatives and I don't know if there's a better way to do it.

Xspurt,

Im really interested in how you trade. I think we approach the market from two totally different perspectives. I settled on trend-following ( pullback entries), but I suspect you're more a pin-point reversal guy, which is something I tried very hard, but never mastered. Those 2B's often were gobbled up by the trend on my screen, so i threw in the towel (can't beat them, join 'em..etc). If you have a blog or trading chat room, could i join?
 
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My pleasure - keep asking

If you insist............

1. How do you map out the day ahead as you mentioned?

2. What makes a setup a "strong" setup?

Averaging 40 pips a day doesn't sound too overwhelming until you take losing trades into account. If you start off the day with a couple bad trades & end up -30, then you have to make 70 pips to get back to the average.

That sounds a little tougher especially if you combine it with a normal trader's mental issues after taking a couple losses.

The rookie's strength must be in catching the bigger timeframe moves on a smaller timeframe chart. I find that tough to do for some reason, usually end up getting shaken out. I'm sure I'll figure it out any day now. :)
 
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@Stela, stick to top rated brokers. There are a few good forex brokers out there, like Thinkforex. I have an account at IronFX (with the nosebleed high results), but I wouldn't recommend them. I feel that a trader could have even better perfomance with Thinkforex due to the tighter spreads. Spreads on XAUUSD and EURGPY are roughly half at Thinkforex than Iron.

If you're US-based, I would recommend MB Trading. Their execution is very good too. Some people praise Oanda, but I prefer MB. If I lived in the US, my account would still be with MB.

I tried MB... probably not bad broker, but their platform is truly scary and it crashed two times for me while demoing it. Since then, no thanks.

IMO is one wants to trade FX in the US, currency futures @ CME are a way to go.
 
Quote from macattack:

Averaging 40 pips a day doesn't sound too overwhelming
Well, it's not that out of the ordinary.... Woody gets 32 ticks a day, Nodoji around 40, Hershey is upwards of 100, etc

Imagine what that comes out to if you trade 20,000 contracts at a time. :D
 
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