DITM strangle?

Quote from lowvoltrader:

lets say 30 days pass and stock has moved to 45. at 90 days to expiration the gut strangle is worth 13.5 (45 put 2.88 and 35 call 10.62).

THATS my point...if the stock moves up that much then the gut strangle will NOT be worth MORE than you paid for it because of both time decay and drop in volatility. The numbers are theoretical based on a static volatility, reality is volatility changes.
 
Quote from lowvoltrader:

with iv of 35%. stock at 40, 120 days, 35 call 6.56, 45 put 6.08, total cost 12.64 of which 2.64 is time value.

lets say 30 days pass and stock has moved to 45. at 90 days to expiration the gut strangle is worth 13.5 (45 put 2.88 and 35 call 10.62).

by selling put and selling call and we own a
Apart from the numbers, which I thing are not solid, what you did was wait an entire month for the (gut) strangle to increase from 12.65 to 13.50, a staggering 0.85 profit. Instead of cashing it, you decide sell a 45 straddle on top of it.

You should ask yourself, why the strangle, why wait 30 days, why sell a straddle at 45 now? These are the separate decissions you made, you have to know why you make them.

Ursa..
 
lowvol,
I think you're making this more complicated than it should be. To win on a long straddle/strangle you essentially need the underlying to move around a lot and have vols rise as well. Some people try to reduce their daily decay by gamma scalping, but that's a whole other complication. My rec, if you determine a certain event is upcoming that will cause your underlying to move hard and vol to rise, then trade the long strangle into that event. But get the hell out fast as soon as you realize your prediction is wrong. Trading vol is as hard as trading direction. Adjusting your position into other configurations seems nice, as long as it conforms with your expectation of what will happen to the underlying direction and vol in the future. If not, exit with your profits and look for the next opportunity.
 
math may be correct but you are making an assumption that the vols will STAY at 35...what happens if they go to... say 20? which would be a strong possibility if the stock does go up.
The math is not correct. Long strangle costs 12.64 and after the rise and sale of the long put (+2.88) and sale of short 45 call (+3.38), he ends up with a ten point 35/45 call diagonal that costs 6.38, not 30 cts. If the underlying reverses hard, 6.38 is at risk.
 
Quote from stupididiot:

Neg expectation when you add friction. Maybe you can make up for in volume :D

don't worry. whatever you lose on every trade you can make make up in volume.:)
 
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