Discovery confirms biblical account of Jerusalem

Religion is an insult to human dignity.
With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. Steven Weinberg

Since your at a loss for your own words, If the great majority of the World have it, why would we listen to the minority? :D

Sadly the minority continue to undermine the majority.
 
not disputing the provenance? why do you lie?

here was your first post...




here was part of your your second to which I told you there were other similar seals found in spots in Jerusalem and some were found in what they believe were the administrative offices.

stu said.
"Can you even offer a coherent reason why this artifact said to "support the Bible" can give any more legitimacy to it than London's King's Cross Station gives to Harry Potter.

No, of course you can't."

So what now? Is you next post going to be word games? Ar you going to say you were not disputing you were just hinting that the seals could be from any city.

Sadly that's an easy answer.
 
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not disputing the provenance? why do you lie?

Ar you going to say you were not disputing you were just hinting that the seals could be from any city.

I have not disputed the seal 's 2,700 year old provenance or that it could not have "belonged to the governor of the city". That is after all what archeologists are reported to have said.

However the seal itself does not appear nor is said to be inscribed with any city name or particular governor. Though going by the information available, it's reasonable to accept it is a city seal, but that does not mean it is with certainty a seal belonging to the "city of Jerusalem" just because archeologists confirm it was found in Jerusalem. In contrast, ancient seals have been found in Jerusalem with Bethlehem on them. So there really isn't anything to say this seal, with no place or governor name on it, belongs to somewhere else. Which as I said begs a question.

Archeologists within the Israel Antiquities Authority often warn about jumping to conclusions with such things. Not all who work there apparently heed that advice. Remembering also how it was unveiled conveniently at a time when a highly controversial political statement had just been made, it wouldn't be the first time false connections were wrongly attached to such artifacts.

Even if it is assumed this seal did belong to the "city of Jerusalem" (it would have been the city of Shalem 2700 years ago), there have been hundreds if not thousands of artifacts purported to have given credence to biblical narratives over time, yet none of them in the end, after all the religious rhetoric has calmed down, ever had enough provenance or credence or historical evidence or factual value to support the Bible as claimed. No more than finding porridge supports the Three Bears in a different fairy tale.
There have been governors of Jerusalem and Judah throughout history. It really should come as no surprise that works of fiction, like the Bible, would include governors in their stories.

You are religious and religious belief is all about clutching at straws while jumping to false claims. So you see everything to the contrary as a lie.
Another reason why religion is indeed an insult to human dignity.
 
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what a sad piece of sophistry from your first post to this one.
even the way your worded your artifacts claim manifests your sophistry.

No artifacts support the bible as claimed?

You could not be talking about artifacts talking about cities that were lost to history which have been found.

So your "as claimed" statement must secretly be a rather narrow definition of what the bible claims.



I have not disputed the seal 's 2,700 year old provenance or that it could not have "belonged to the governor of the city". That is after all what archeologists are reported to have said.

However the seal itself does not appear nor is said to be inscribed with any city name or particular governor. Though going by the information available, it's reasonable to accept it is a city seal, but that does not mean it is with certainty a seal belonging to the "city of Jerusalem" just because archeologists confirm it was found in Jerusalem. In contrast, ancient seals have been found in Jerusalem with Bethlehem on them. So there really isn't anything to say this seal, with no place or governor name on it, belongs to somewhere else. Which as I said begs a question.

Archeologists within the Israel Antiquities Authority often warn about jumping to conclusions with such things. Not all who work there apparently heed that advice. Remembering also how it was unveiled conveniently at a time when a highly controversial political statement had just been made, it wouldn't be the first time false connections were wrongly attached to such artifacts.

Even if it is assumed this seal did belong to the "city of Jerusalem" (it would have been the city of Shalem 2700 years ago), there have been hundreds if not thousands of artifacts purported to have given credence to biblical narratives over time, yet none of them in the end, after all the religious rhetoric has calmed down, ever had enough provenance or credence or historical evidence or factual value to support the Bible as claimed. No more than finding porridge supports the Three Bears in a different fairy tale.
There have been governors of Jerusalem and Judah throughout history. It really should come as no surprise that works of fiction, like the Bible, would include governors in their stories.

You are religious and religious belief is all about clutching at straws while jumping to false claims. So you see everything to the contrary as a lie.
Another reason why religion is indeed an insult to human dignity.
 
what a sad piece of sophistry from your first post to this one.
even the way your worded your artifacts claim manifests your sophistry.

Translation:
"dammit you got me there"

No artifacts support the bible as claimed?

No none. No better than the seal in this thread does. Which is not at all.
 
"A conservator shows a 2,700-year-old clay seal impression which archaeologists from the Israel Antiquities Authority say belonged to a biblical governor of Jerusalem and was unearthed in excavations in the Western Wall plaza in Jerusalem's Old City" (see picture at the link...)

So Stu.. are you saying this expert is wrong based on some sort of expertise... or were you just trying to shit on this thread?


https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/archaeology/1.695308

If you were to say spend 5 minutes doing research you would know they even found a 2700 year old seal with Kings name on it what was probably the the very building it would have been used.

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Give them time enough they will prove the Bible.
 
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