Die hard Liberal has an epiphany on VA scandal.

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Max E.

I wonder if too many of these lefties are too far gone, or if others will draw the same conclusion after the utter failure of obamacare and the VA.



Red Alert at the White House! How bad is the VA scandal? Bad enough to make even such as Sam Stein question liberalism. The VA scandal is getting so grievous for the Obama admin and for the liberal project at large that it has led even liberals to reconsider their most cherished ideological beliefs.

On today's Morning Joe, Sam Stein of the Huffington Post wondered "is liberalism, is progressivism, in this instance the right thing" given that the additional money the Obama admin spent on the VA has not yielded results? View the video after the jump.

Ponder just how bad things are for the Obama admin, and for Dems having to run in '14 with Obamacare around their necks, when this crown jewel of government-run health care is such a disaster that it is causing liberals like Stein to desert?


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MSNBC Guest Repeatedly Breaks Hosts’ Hearts by Insisting VA Scandal Not About Funding

The VA scandal is fast becoming the sum of all progressive fears.

On Wednesday, MSNBC viewers were confronted by the sober warnings of a regular and respected guest, the decorated retired Army Col. Jack Jacobs. Mercilessly, he shared with viewers an inconvenient truth: the VA scandal is a failure of progressive government in its most elemental form. The VA has failed America’s veterans not because of a lack of money, or vision, or indifference on the part of the public. It has failed because it was designed to fail. Moreover, the only solutions to the problems associated with a nonfunctional VA system may be found in the private sector.

In an interview with MSNBC’s Ronan Farrow, Jacobs preemptively attacked the findings of any investigation into the VA’s issues, saying that predictable assertions about an underfunded system in need of a larger bureaucracy will be misguided.

“The structure of the Veterans Administration health business is not organized in order to deliver health care,” he declared. “Unless until you break it down, and have a public/private partnership, you’re not going to be able to give health care to veterans who really need it.”

Even Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) conceded that there was a need to “throw wisdom to the wind” and embrace radical solutions to the problems plaguing the VA system. “Maybe there needs to be some collaboration with our public health system outside of the veterans,” Lee added in a clear reference to a voucher program veterans could use to receive care in private hospitals.

But Jacobs was not finished crushing the dreams of his hosts. Less than an hour later, in an interview with MSNBC host Joy Reid, the retired Army colonel delivered a near fatal blow to the central liberal conceit.

When asked by Reid if Veterans Affairs Sec. Eric Shinseki might receive the benefit of the doubt from veterans who received poor or no care because he was a “good guy” who had opposed the Iraq War, Jacobs did not let her down gently when he answered no.

The retired colonel went on to again insist that money is not the VA’s problem. In fact, you could confiscate ever dollar of the incalculable wealth of both the Koch brothers have hoarded and invested it into the Department of Veterans Affairs, and it would not resolve the chronic mismanagement issues plaguing that government-run enterprise.

“It doesn’t matter how much money you give them,” Jacobs said, observing that the VA was among the few departments to receive more funding following forced sequestration cuts in 2013. “The structure of the organization is incapable of delivering what we really want and really need, and that is timely, first-class medical care for all our veterans.”

For average Americans, VA scandal represents failure of the liberal vision of collective responsibility for medical care. This is an even more politically potent right now because it speaks to the competency of the Democratic vision of government administered by a Democratic president. Not just any Democratic president, mind you, but one who has spent most of his presidency fighting to pass and preserve what he has called a step toward state-provided health insurance to all.

Now, with the bodies of those to whom America is most indebted exposed and in plain view, Democrats are unable to foist blame for their condition on their old anxieties. It’s not a chronic lack of funding, it’s not indifferent administrators, it’s not even the callous Republican Party which is at fault for the chronic mismanagement at the VA; it is the system itself.

President Barack Obama inherited the problems at the VA, but he also slacked on his campaign promises to address that broken system. Every moment he waits to back dramatic, immediate reforms to the VA is a moment in which Americans lose more faith in the federal government’s ability to provide for average citizens.

The VA is a tumor on the central pillar of liberalism, and the president will have to engage in the painful process of excising it before it spreads.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-gu...ts-by-insisting-va-scandal-not-about-funding/
 
Economist Walter Williams did a program that explains the problem. He was addressing the deeply imbedded liberal idea that the profit motive is evil and the source of most of society's problems. He wasn't addressing the VA issue, but his analysis applies equally well to it.

Williams traced the path a steak served in a NYC restaurant traced to get from steer to plate. He went to the rancher and asked him if he had grown the steer to help diners in NYC. Nope, he raised it to make money. Couldn't care less about rich people in restaurants in NYC. Williams went through the whole chain, asking the same question. Nobody was motivated by anything but the expectation of profit.

Government is supposedly kinder and more efficient because there is no profit motive. It's all about helping us. We see how well that works every time we have to go to the DMV. If there is a line stretching for hours, they don't care. It's not like there's extra money for them in opening more windows, like MacDonalds would do.

It's not like you occasionally won't get a helpful employee. Some are very helpful, but if they're not, it's not like you can go to the competing DMV and expect better service.

Why we would want our health care provided in the same manner is curious and probably indicative of how ignorant and entitled our country has become.

There were many problems with our health care system, starting with insurance being linked to employment for most people and continuing through the familiar litany of the uninsured and who pays for them and the problem of preexisting conditions and how we deal with people who are totally irresponsible. I fail to see how Obamacare has addressed these issues, except to make most of them worse.
 
February 27, 2014, 02:44 pm
GOP blocks veterans bill

Senate Republicans stopped Democrats from advancing a bill that would have expanded healthcare and education programs for veterans.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/199480-gop-blocks-veterans-bill#ixzz32PG6VUFZ
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The faux outrage and hypocrisy of the right makes me sick.
 
Once again you have shown us all you are two dumb to read, even col Jack Jacobs who signs his paychecks from MSNBC said no amount of funding will fix the bureaucracy in the VA, for a so called centrist you sure do spend alot of time espousing far left ideas. "If theres a problem lets just throw more money at it." Even the far left loons I have shown here have finally come to the conclusion money isnt the problem.

bigarrow said:
February 27, 2014, 02:44 pm
GOP blocks veterans bill

Senate Republicans stopped Democrats from advancing a bill that would have expanded healthcare and education programs for veterans.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/199480-gop-blocks-veterans-bill#ixzz32PG6VUFZ
Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/199480-gop-blocks-veterans-bill#ixzz32PFrvNUF

The faux outrage and hypocrisy of the right makes me sick.
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bigarrow said:
February 27, 2014, 02:44 pm
GOP blocks veterans bill

Senate Republicans stopped Democrats from advancing a bill that would have expanded healthcare and education programs for veterans.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/199480-gop-blocks-veterans-bill#ixzz32PG6VUFZ
Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/199480-gop-blocks-veterans-bill#ixzz32PFrvNUF

The faux outrage and hypocrisy of the right makes me sick.
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How does a senate, held in majority by the Democrats, fail to pass a bill?
 
Wallet said:
How does a senate, held in majority by the Democrats, fail to pass a bill?
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Probably by getting Democrats to sign on to it.

Additionally, if you read more about it, you can see the bill was not paid for, even though democrats tried to play it off with accounting gimmicks to pretend it was. So it was increasing spending. Reid also would not allow a separate vote on Iran sanctions, and the GOP tried to apparently get him to include that in the veteran bill, which he refused to listen to. So while the GOP probably shouldn't have made the Iran sanctions part of the agreement, Reid was just as much at fault for saying he would not consider that as a possibility.

If you ask me, we need to dump them all into the river with cement shoes.
 
Max E. Pad said:
Once again you have shown us all you are too dumb to read, even col Jack Jacobs who signs his paychecks from MSNBC said no amount of funding will fix the bureaucracy in the VA...
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:D

Bigzero is just towing the party line. No critical thinking required.
 
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