Didn't Obama claim all the Chemical weapons were removed from Syria?

Do you have a point?

My point is simple. Obama was a disaster on pretty much every front. Any questions?

Contrary to what you stated,they have the knowledge to make nukes.They don't have them because of President Obama.
 
Thats the problem with getting your info from wikipedia. Any asshole can enter whatever numbers and it wont get changed until someone fact checks it.

Try this http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=539 It has defense spending all the way back to 1947 and not just a clip which only shows Bush's full term in office and then partial clips of other presidents terms. When you see stuff like this, you can be sure it's purposefully put like that as anti-Bush/anti republican propaganda.


I'll try to figure why our data is different in a minute but for now lets use your data.According to your data when Bush came into office( 2001 budget was Clinton's last budget) defense spending was 412 billion.When Bush left office (2009 was Bush's last budget) defense spending was 788 billion.Using your data Bush still left office with defense spending nearly twice as much as it was when he arrived.

Your data shows when Obama came into office defense spending was 788 billion.When Obama left office (2016) your source has defense spending at 732 billion.

So even your source shows bush nearly doubled defense spending while Obama left office with defense spending lower than it was when he came into office .According to your data The most Obama increased spending during the time he was in office is 48 billion while bush increased defense spending by 376 billion.


Whether we use my data or yours they both show the same thing,Bush massively increased defense spending while Obama lowered it.


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Clinton never increased spending and then we got attacked on our own soil so that might tell you something.

But for the record, average annual military spending under Bush for 8 years was $628 billion.

Average annual military spending under Obama for 8 years was $780 billion.

Bush's military spending low to high $391B - $754B
Obamas military spending low to high $731B - $836B

Basically Obamas lowest year military spending was nearly twice Bush's lowest.
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As you know one can not turn the Great Ship of State on a dime. Obama inherited Bush's budget for the Federal 2009 fiscal year. The 2010 budget saw another increase. The Government under Obama was in the business of winding down the wars begun under the Bush administration. In the 2010 budget, the first Obama budget, there were, of course, prior commitments that had to be met. Then in every subsequent budget during Obama's administration military spending decreased except perhaps the 2017 budget, where it may have remained virtually constant. (A constant budget is a decline in inflation adjusted dollars.) Keep in mind that the Bush Wars were fought off budget in the sense that Congress was asked each year to appropriate additional amounts over the regular defense budget to cover the additional costs of the Bush wars. These wars were the primary cause of the huge Bush deficits. When one looks at defense spending it is important to know whether the special appropriations are being included. It is also critical importance to recognize that these annual expenditures commit the U.S. to decades of future expenditures of both Veterans benefits and interest on money borrowed that is not reflected in the annual numbers, and may not be reflected at all depending on what is included.

As an aside, it is my personal opinion that G.W. Bush's and Cheney's decision to invade Iraq, under trumped up pretenses that allowed them to pressure the Congress to go along, will be looked on by historians as among the worst, unilateral, foreign policy decisions made by the U.S. Government in it's 225 year history to date.
 
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That is a completely untrue statement.


Nearly everyone agrees Iran was close to having nukes,so they do know how to make them.They currently don't have nukes because of the deal Obama made with Iran and the rest of the major world powers.So it is a completely true statement.

Bush left Obama with a nuclear armed N Korea.Obama left Trump with a nuclear free Iran.
 
Nearly everyone agrees Iran was close to having nukes,so they do know how to make them.They currently don't have nukes because of the deal Obama made with Iran and the rest of the major world powers.So it is a completely true statement.

Bush left Obama with a nuclear armed N Korea.Obama left Trump with a nuclear free Iran.
You are correct. The Iranians have a well educated population and considerable technical capability. It would be a mistake to underestimate their capabilities. The Iranian nuclear agreement was a tremendous step forward in terms of decreased tensions and heightened security for the region. It was an agreement beneficial for both Iran and the U.S. It was also beneficial to Israel despite Netanyahu's opposition. Netanyahu is becoming increasingly unpopular in Israel.

Iran, rather than Russia, is both the key and stumbling block to ending the conflict in Syria. We should be talking to the Iranians, and seeking their help to end this conflict. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80 %93Syria_relations
 
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I'll try to figure why our data is different in a minute but for now lets use your data.According to your data when Bush came into office( 2001 budget was Clinton's last budget) defense spending was 412 billion.When Bush left office (2009 was Bush's last budget) defense spending was 788 billion.Using your data Bush still left office with defense spending nearly twice as much as it was when he arrived.

Your data shows when Obama came into office defense spending was 788 billion.When Obama left office (2016) your source has defense spending at 732 billion.

So even your source shows bush nearly doubled defense spending while Obama left office with defense spending lower than it was when he came into office .According to your data The most Obama increased spending during the time he was in office is 48 billion while bush increased defense spending by 376 billion.


Whether we use my data or yours they both show the same thing,Bush massively increased defense spending while Obama lowered it.


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Really? You're going to go there on a technicality? Obamas last year spending is almost as high as Bush's highest year spending. I mean, it's a little like you spending $10k per year on your credit card for 8 years, then your wife goes and starts spending $15k per year, but then the year before she gives the credit card back she only spends $9k and then tries to tell you she spent less than you. It's a ludicrous statement and I know you're at least smart enough to see that.

The truth is Bush added $4.5 Trillion to the debt. Obama added nearly $10 Trillion. No amount of side stepping is going to prove Obama spent less on anything when you see those final numbers.
 
Really? You're going to go there on a technicality? Obamas last year spending is almost as high as Bush's highest year spending.


This would be a fair argument IF they started with the same defense budget.Using your numbers Bush started with a 412 billion dollar budget while Obama started with budget nearly double that at 788 billion.Obama spending 732 billion in his last year isn't bad when he came into office with a 788 billion dollar defense budget.Bush having a 788 billion dollar defense budget is far far far worse when he came into office with a 412 billion dollar defense budget.


If Obama was anywhere near as bad as Bush he would have had to nearly double defense spending like Bush did,but he made it lower than what he came into office with.
 
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The truth is Bush added $4.5 Trillion to the debt. Obama added nearly $10 Trillion. No amount of side stepping is going to prove Obama spent less on anything when you see those final numbers.


They both doubled the debt,but Bush came into office with a budget surplus while Obama came into office with a trillion dollar deficit.Most of the debt Bush added was from his polices,most of Obamas debt was from paying for Bush's polices(Bushs wars,376 billion a year increased defense spending,Bushs tax cuts,bushs not paid for medicare expansion,Bushs losing 500,000 jobs a month economy.)

Lets throw in deficits as well.Clinton left Bush a budget surplus around 100 billion a year,and Bush turned it into a trillion dollar deficit.

Bush left Obama a trillion dollar deficit and Obama cut it in half to around 500 billion.
 
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You are correct. The Iranians have a well educated population and considerable technical capability. It would be a mistake to underestimate their capabilities. The Iranian nuclear agreement was a tremendous step forward in terms of decreased tensions and heightened security for the region. It was an agreement beneficial for both Iran and the U.S. It was also beneficial to Israel despite Netanyahu's opposition. Netanyahu is becoming increasingly unpopular in Israel.

Iran, rather than Russia, is both the key and stumbling block to ending the conflict in Syria. We should be talking to the Iranians, and seeking their help to end this conflict. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80 %93Syria_relations

Agreed.I think we should be more friendly to Iran,more so than Saudi Arabia.Iran is Shia,they are the enemies of the radical Sunni Muslims like Al Queda and Isis.Saudi Arabia are Sunni's like Al Queda and Isis and many from Al Queda are from Saudi Arabia.Saudi Arabia breeds a lot of terrorist with the Wahhabism form of Islam they teach.
 
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