Did Tuesdays elections push Range Rover over the edge?

[Hello]

Didnt you get the memo? He already does, he gets his talking points from Joy Behar and Whoopie Goldberg.

Quote from Tsing Tao:

maybe you should watch the view.

 

[Gabfly1]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

many times. just because your one liners didnt make it into any topic where i had the opportunity to, doesnt mean i dont stray from "the right" doctrine.

i am a fiscal conservative. i am not a social conservative.

some examples:

- i am pro-choice
- i support the idea of gay unions.
- i support stem cell research
- i believe in a smaller military and do not support the iraq occupation, furthermore i believe that bush had no right to invade.
- i believe in more (and proper) regulation on big business, especially wall street.

there are more, i'm sure, but how's that for starters?

oh, and i voted for obama in the last election (something i am now ashamed to admit).

your turn, gabfly. lets see who is more open to ideas outside their chosen party.

Tarnation! This is confusing. You have far too many valid and well-balanced views. The only difference between us, among the points you mentioned, is that if I were an American, I would have voted for Obama and would not have been the least bit ashamed to admit it. That's not to say he didn't make any mistakes. Every president does. But consider the alternatives.

Do you at least dismiss "trickle down" "supply-side" as an excuse rather than a legitimate economic theory? And do you also agree that tax cuts do not pay for themselves? (Because they don't.) And do you think that everyone should be entitled to stable, affordable and available health insurance? With an emphasis on stability as it relates to affordability and availability. If you answered yes to all of these questions, then you may not be so bad after all.

 

[phenomena]

LOL!!! The guy who is fervently posting well beyond the point of obsession insisting that the democrats actually won despite losing is now a self appointed arbiter of sanity... ROFLMAO!!! This place is priceless!!

What's even more funny is that they reveal how morally bankrupt they actually are when they proudly tout their plans to place the blame on republicans for the failure of democrat policies in hopes of regaining control of the house. The crowd who is cheerfully deceptive and underhanded tries to simultaneously proclaim the moral high ground... LOL!!! Then you guys wonder why you got kicked out of the house...

The republican/democrat balance is pretty much even in the country, hence the independents decide everything, and guess what... We aren't buying your shit, and we only elected Obama to keep McBush out of office and because he said he said he'd end the war (which he didn't), not because we liked him... You guys, just like your deal leader, are very sore losers. Have some class, learn to lose with dignity... At least McBush was able to do that...

Quote from Range Rover:

No need to call her a bitch.You seem to be losing it.Take a break

 

[Range Rover]

Quote from phenomena:

LOL!!! The guy who is fervently posting well beyond the point of obsession insisting that the democrats actually won despite losing is now a self appointed arbiter of sanity... ROFLMAO!!! This place is priceless!!

What's even more funny is that they reveal how morally bankrupt they actually are when they proudly tout their plans to place the blame on republicans for the failure of democrat policies in hopes of regaining control of the house. The crowd who is cheerfully deceptive and underhanded tries to simultaneously proclaim the moral high ground... LOL!!! Then you guys wonder why you got kicked out of the house...

The republican/democrat balance is pretty much even in the country, hence the independents decide everything, and guess what... We aren't buying your shit, and we only elected Obama to keep McBush out of office and because he said he said he'd end the war (which he didn't), not because we liked him... You guys, just like your deal leader, are very sore losers. Have some class, learn to lose with dignity... At least McBush was able to do that...

After reading this I am starting to think you are losing it as well.Why are you guys so angry ?You guys just won the House and claim to believe that Obama is done. Shouldn't you guys be happy today ? Why this long anger filled rant? Why is Hello throwing Bitch Bombs at a mother of 5 and tea party leader ?

 

[Mnphats]

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Others would agree






Winning by Losing


If the president wants to be reelected in 2012, he should hope that Democrats lose the House on Election Day.

by Matthew Dowd

Monday, October 25, 2010 | 12:36:32 PM

With the midterm elections fast approaching, let’s take a moment and try to figure out what results would be in the best interest of President Obama’s political standing and reelection. What outcome might his political strategists celebrate on Election Night, even if they do so at a very quiet party?

Assume for the sake of argument that the best Democrats can do is suffer substantial losses in the House and Senate but retain slim majorities in the two chambers, thus leaving them unable to push much of a legislative agenda in the next Congress. (That best-case scenario, by the way, is universally accepted by political strategists and prognosticators.)

The president, if he is looking at the election results purely through the prism of his own political fortunes, should not be rooting for that outcome. He should hope, rather, that Republicans take the House by a bare majority, Democrats keep the Senate by a bare majority, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid loses his reelection battle in Nevada.

Here’s why:

If Democrats retain all the levers of power after the elections but still can’t get anything done because of their slim governing margins, President Obama and his party will likely bear sole responsibility for dysfunction in Washington. And, as we know, Washington is not a good place to be these days. The president and his party have had control of the White House, the Senate, and the House for the past two years and it hasn’t turned out well politically.

The president needs Republicans to pick up the House or the Senate so he can either: 1) Blame Republicans for what does or does not happen in the next Congress; or 2) Reach authentically across the aisle to get things done in a bipartisan way and tell his own party that he has to do it. Either scenario would help the president’s political standing going into his reelection.



Obama needs Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to go away. They won’t help him win a second term in the White House.It would not be good for Obama if Democrats lose both the House and Senate. The media, pundits, and Republicans would smell blood in the water and attack relentlessly. Losing one chamber and retaining the other would allow the president to blunt some of this inevitable story line.

Why do I say it would be better for Obama if Democrats lose the House than the Senate? Because Speaker Nancy Pelosi is an albatross hanging around his reelection chances. Her personal ratings are lower than those of former Vice President Dick Cheney (who Democrats love to demonize), and she is so partisan that she would have no chance of corralling Republican support for legislation if the president chooses to go that route.

Although Obama needs to keep the Democratic majority in the Senate, he also needs Harry Reid to go away, for similar reasons. Obama would benefit from a new majority leader who could help him either reach across the aisle or more effectively take on a Republican House leadership. Reid, like Pelosi, has dreadful approval ratings, is distrusted by his Republican colleagues, and has been an ineffective communicator over the past two years.

Thus, the best bottom line for the president is to lose the House, keep the Senate, and not have Pelosi or Reid as impediments to his reelection strategy. And the funny thing is, as of today, the election looks likely to produce exactly that result. I am not suggesting that the president and his team have planned, orchestrated, or even strategized on this result, but their political mistakes over the past 18 months have certainly, from my vantage point, created an environment and a likely result that will hurt the Democrats in Congress badly but benefit the president in his reelection campaign.

The decline in Obama’s approval rating since his inauguration has been the most precipitous going into a first midterm of any president in 50 years. Ultimately, whatever the election results, the president and his team need to better align his policies, vision, and messaging with the majority of the American people so that he can rebuild the trust he has lost over the past year or so. In the end, Obama’s approval rating will pretty much determine his reelection. If his approval rating is above 50 percent, he will win no matter whom Republicans nominate. If it’s below 47 percent, he will lose unless a third-party candidate siphons off anti-Obama votes.

I believe we will know in the first part of 2011 and the new legislative session whether Obama is headed in the direction of Presidents Reagan and Clinton, who lost badly in their first midterms and went on to win reelection; or in the direction of President Carter, who started out with a united country filled with hope and expectation but never recovered after losing the people’s trust and went on to lose his reelection badly. Right now, the polling and approval arc suggests that Obama’s standing resembles Carter’s more than Reagan’s or Clinton’s.

He has time to change this, but not much. Obama looks to be given a gift on November 2 to help him do so.

Brilliant, the left always needs an escape goat. At least its in the open now and maybe the demoncrats can stop blaming Bush.

Just wishful thinking at best.

 

[phenomena]

LOL!!! The guy who is fervently posting well beyond the point of obsession insisting that the democrats actually won despite losing is now a self appointed arbiter of sanity... ROFLMAO!!! This place is priceless!!

Quote from Range Rover:

After reading this I am starting to think you are losing it as well.Why are you guys so angry ?You guys just won the House and claim to believe that Obama is done. Shouldn't you guys be happy today ? Why this long anger filled rant? Why is Hello throwing Bit*h Bombs at a mother of 5 and tea party leader ?

 

[Range Rover]

Quote from Mnphats:

Brilliant, the left always needs an escape goat. At least its in the open now and maybe the demoncrats can stop blaming Bush.

Just wishful thinking at best.

We can never forget Bush.Like Hoover and The Great Depression Bush will be taking heat 80 years from now.He also has a spot among the countries worst Presidents to keep his legacy alive.

 

[Tsing Tao]

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Tarnation! This is confusing. You have far too many valid and well-balanced views. The only difference between us, among the points you mentioned, is that if I were an American, I would have voted for Obama and would not have been the least bit ashamed to admit it. That's not to say he didn't make any mistakes. Every president does. But consider the alternatives.

Do you at least dismiss "trickle down" "supply-side" as an excuse rather than a legitimate economic theory? And do you also agree that tax cuts do not pay for themselves? (Because they don't.) And do you think that everyone should be entitled to stable, affordable and available health insurance? With an emphasis on stability as it relates to affordability and availability. If you answered yes to all of these questions, then you may not be so bad after all.

we are not going to agree on economic policy. without going specifically into your questions, i will sum up my beliefs with a few phrases to clarify:

i believe in small government, not big.
i believe that the private sector knows how to better create jobs, spend money to boost the economy, and with the one exception that government should provide regulation to protect the citizens from business preying on them (though harming them physically, financially or mentally), government should stay the hell out of business's way. by default, that means lower taxation, because more money in the pocket of business means that business will see it goes to the right place (as long as regulation is in place to assure it is done legally and without ill-intent).

to sum up why i dislike obama so strongly is as follows:

he put in place most of the same architects of the housing bubble, and crash of 2008 despite calling for change.
he has expanded government, and expanded debt (massively). and dont tell me bush did so too as a retort - i hated him, too.
he praised the passage of the near-worthless dodd-frank bill.
he did not go after wall street as promised.
he re-appointed ben bernanke (same as point one, but this one was especially evil, so i mention it twice)
he forced legislation through (health care) instead of properly going through the motions to make sure it was done right, just because he wanted a win. i do not oppose universal healthcare. i oppose obama care. it is flawed, comes from a flawed premise and was shoved down the throats of the country.

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from Range Rover:

We can never forget Bush.Like Hoover and The Great Depression Bush will be taking heat 80 years from now.He also has a spot among the countries worst Presidents to keep his legacy alive.

I would have to go ahead and sort of disagree with that.

The current adminstration is notorious for its ineptitude and good old fashioned incompetence. Combine that with the imperious arrogant demeanor the regime exhibits I'm sure they will rank as the worst ever in the Whitehouse.

 

[Hello]

Why do all these left wing writers only come out and say it would be a good thing if Obama loses the house when it was already a foregone conclusion that obama was going to?

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http://www.aolnews.com/opinion/article/opinion-obama-can-win-if-democrats-lose/19659999

Opinion: Obama Can Win If Democrats Lose




Barry Weintraub
Contributor

AOL News (Oct. 8) -- Depending on whom you listen to and what you read these days, the Republicans are going to sweep to victory in the House and eke out a win in the Senate. Or they're going to eke out a win in the House and leave the Senate in Democratic control. Or the Democrats are going to stun the world, concentrate on individual races and wind up holding on to power in both chambers. Short of predicting an alien takeover of Congress, I believe that leaves every possible scenario present and accounted for.




The obvious response would be Democrats holding power in at least one if not both chambers. So forgive me for not playing the part of Captain Obvious today. As I see the political landscape, it seems to me if the Democrats win, Obama will continue to lose in the eyes of the angry American voter. Let me explain.

I saw a headline Thursday reflecting a Washington Post poll that said essentially: More voters agree with the Democrats yet they plan to vote Republican. And how does this make any sense? Well, what it does is confirm for all of us just how broken our system is.


Voters seem ready to reward the people whose entire strategy has been to "just say no," rather than those who managed to deliver on the things voters were actually promised. I can't explain how that works, I'm only here to point out that it does.

And this brings me back to the question of which outcome would be best for Obama in November. I believe that losing the House and the Senate would in the long term be the best thing that could happen to Obama's re-election prospects, in light of the current mood of the nation.

An Obama with slim Democratic majorities in Congress would continue to appear weak and ineffective, as the power of "no" would remain in Republican hands.

But when that power shifts to the White House, and the president is seen as the last line of defense against the repeal of the health care reform or the reduction of the minimum wage or massive reductions and changes to Social Security ... well, under that scenario, recent history tells us people will support the president more.


Sponsored Links This is why I see the midterm election as Barack Obama's "bring it on" moment.

Republicans are poised to assume power, despite the lack of widespread approval for their agenda, solely because voters are angry and the GOP said no to everything.

With Obama standing up and saying no to the GOP, my guess is he will wind up stronger and in a much better place come time for his own re-election.

All he'll have to do is switch his slogan from "yes we can" to "no you can't."