Did Robert Hoffman really lose 312K in a single TF trade? Yikes!

Quote from kinggyppo:

yes same folks that ironically brought you this....:confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU1pD4xPe2M

Wow. The company who promotes a blowout trader makes a video about a blowout trader. My question is, how can any real trader/person wanting to be a trader go sign on with a firm that makes a video like that? Pretty embarassing for a trading company to be associated with a video like that.
 
I average into every losing trade I have and am loving the strategy- of course I have a point at which I'll cut my loss, but it is about 3x my daily profit goal. Silly disinformation floating around about cutting losses quickly- I love all your stop losses, they force liquidity into a market at let others out of their trades!
 
There's nothing wrong with averaging into a trade provided you stay within your predetermined risk limits. Timing the market is tough and there are times when averaging is necessary. Either that or nibble on the first trigger, stop out, and increase your size ifr you get a better look. Again, all has to stay within predetermined risk limits.

Quote from dumb_mother:

I average into every losing trade I have and am loving the strategy- of course I have a point at which I'll cut my loss, but it is about 3x my daily profit goal. Silly disinformation floating around about cutting losses quickly- I love all your stop losses, they force liquidity into a market at let others out of their trades!
 
Quote from EPrado:

While Arb guys should not even be mentioned in the same paragraph as a blowout trader like Hoffman, they too can get caught bad and have a big part of their account wiped out at some point. I know some very sharp arb/traders who have gotten wiped out/lost most their yrs profit in days. It doesn't often, but it does happen. The ones who survive recognize shit is hitting the fan quicker than the guys who completely implode.

Just look back to summer of 08.............

no need to look at anything but the spwrb/a arb
 
Reading through this, and after recently suffering a 64.1% dd on c2, if the account wasn't meant for a fully leveraged trade, indeed this is stupid, but it wouldn't be if he intended to do this the whole time. It doesn't sound like he typically traded this way, and with leverage of course multi hundred thousand dollar losses are possible, but I think he went "on tilt."

I think he was revenge trading, and had a knack for scalping making too little profit for the risk he was taking. I think he'll react differently in the future, but 800+TF on less than a million is not reasonable.

I will say does it matter if he lost this in a day? My trend strategies are risking with a target of $10,000 profit per contract per month on about 7 or 9 different contracts risking $500k to make $2.5m. I'm not sure if the fact that it was one day is any different than realized drawdown of a half mil with about $750k per year for profits. Is this any different? I say that because he might have millions, so a few hundred thousand would be a very decent chunk of any account. I'd have to say we don't have any proof of any of this, but if it were true, if it were true, I think he felt wealthy enough to afford taking a risk, but I don't know if his indicators were pointing down at the time or not. I don't think it matters, because that was his best judgement, and if it loses, then you lose. I'm not taking the attitude that all small traders lose, because unless you're in the billions you are a small trader.

Buffet takes hits like these every second of the day, but is far more succesful and even he has had his share of losses, even catastrophic ones with stocks going to zero. Rare, true, but even he.
 
Quote from Pekelo:

For a smart fellow, he could have been a goldmine. You have to realize, all you need the signal giver is to be CONSISTENT. So if the trades were going consistently against him, you should have just reverse traded him and had made decent amount of money.


Looks like this Hoffman dude would have been great for someone who knew how to use his signals....



Yeah, you should fade his signals. If you had faded, you would have made $300k recently.
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

Any evidence this brilliant marketing move was not in a simulator? I heard colors of platform but that's easily changed.... Any evidence?


Like faking a blowup? Man, that's really low.

Fake a blowup to get more subscribers.
 
Quote from bathrobe:

This is a 1 minute chart of the Russell 2000 on the day he had the loss (July 14) all times are PST.

relatively rare 4 wave down.

lol, comparing the swings in Buffets account to this turkey .... you might as well compare him to the national debt
 
Quote from Jreality:

Hmmm....Is there any chance that those who lost money in his room over the past several years have any recourse with regard to some type of refund of subscription fees? [/B]

HAHA. that's a good one.
 
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