Did God Create Science?
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we are comparing notes , right? 
I agree. Posing a question does not necessarily mean the questioner is making any presuppositions. I think it's fair to say though, I have referred only to the question making a presupposition, not you. Correct me if that's wrong.
To pose a question for purposes of eliciting opinion etc; surely requires some care in the construct of the question. Then if people generally never examine a question itself for implications raised by the way it is formed then , - 'when did you stop beating your wife' - wouldn't be noticed to contain its damning prejudgement to most any answer offered.
Because reporters or teachers ask questions day in day out, does not mean they are always asking good questions, or questions which are not more or less presupposing a state of affairs from which no useful meaningful or relevant answer can be achieved.
I would argue there is no predicate in your question 2c. Just a presupposition.
Yes, A can control the form of the question. So why would speaker A not get rid of an implicit and possibly controversial presupposition and ask... Did anything thought / or believed / or understood / to be God create science?
It is in someways obviously trivial. But in anothers - not. Going around accepting on face value every loaded question, every fallacious question (that can't be legal) etc and every question which makes glaring presuppositions without any thought of what the question actually infers, does not in my view, lend itself to people understanding each other any better. (That is not meant as a barb against speaker A ! )
I disagree. To ask speaker A his own question is to compound or continue the error the listener notices. A presupposition is either present in the question or it is not .
There are basic logical parameters which are generally adhered to in communication, which describe the conditions , context , implied or reasonably attached to a word or words, which then communicate meaning and understanding.
If a presupposition can only be personal to the listener, then there is no logical understanding of what a presupposition generally entails and any useful meaning to the conversation is lost.
To presuppose God is to presuppose "you beat your wife" , so to speak. That's my point.
A separate thread !? Don't you think there is enough trouble around as it is
I agree. Posing a question does not necessarily mean the questioner is making any presuppositions. I think it's fair to say though, I have referred only to the question making a presupposition, not you. Correct me if that's wrong.
To pose a question for purposes of eliciting opinion etc; surely requires some care in the construct of the question. Then if people generally never examine a question itself for implications raised by the way it is formed then , - 'when did you stop beating your wife' - wouldn't be noticed to contain its damning prejudgement to most any answer offered.
Because reporters or teachers ask questions day in day out, does not mean they are always asking good questions, or questions which are not more or less presupposing a state of affairs from which no useful meaningful or relevant answer can be achieved.
I would argue there is no predicate in your question 2c. Just a presupposition.
Yes, A can control the form of the question. So why would speaker A not get rid of an implicit and possibly controversial presupposition and ask... Did anything thought / or believed / or understood / to be God create science?
It is in someways obviously trivial. But in anothers - not. Going around accepting on face value every loaded question, every fallacious question (that can't be legal) etc and every question which makes glaring presuppositions without any thought of what the question actually infers, does not in my view, lend itself to people understanding each other any better. (That is not meant as a barb against speaker A ! )
I disagree. To ask speaker A his own question is to compound or continue the error the listener notices. A presupposition is either present in the question or it is not .
There are basic logical parameters which are generally adhered to in communication, which describe the conditions , context , implied or reasonably attached to a word or words, which then communicate meaning and understanding.
If a presupposition can only be personal to the listener, then there is no logical understanding of what a presupposition generally entails and any useful meaning to the conversation is lost.
To presuppose God is to presuppose "you beat your wife" , so to speak. That's my point.
A separate thread !? Don't you think there is enough trouble around as it is
Quote from version77:
What is God...
Brother, you are near the Kingdom.
It is the child who admits he does not know who can be taught.
God is.
There is nothing else to add.
This world is added...so it is nothing.
Be not dismayed that God does not teach.
God's teacher's do not command.
To command is to assume inequality, which God's teacher's would demonstrate does not exist.
Be glad that God will not prove to you that you are wrong.
Be glad God knows nothing of this world.
Be glad God will not shatter your dreams of confusion with proof of the truth.
There is a very good reason He will not do this.
You have made a confused self out of the truth He created for you.
Be glad he does not confront it with the truth.
What would be gained if God proved to you that you have thought insanely?
You teach what you are. What would that teaching say about God?
Would you have God teach you that you have sinned? What would that say about Him?
Can God lose His own certainty?
Being questioned, He did not question.
He merely gave the Answer*. His Answer* is your Teacher*.
Your Teacher* is my Teacher*. I have called Him many names, such as Holy Spirit...Comforter.
Learn from Him as I did, and you will know God is.
Jesus
The Kingdom is the realm of knowing. This world is the realm of perception where nothing can be known.
So yes, God cannot be known while perceiving.
To enter this world, knowledge was denied.
You knew God. Something seems to have happened to change that. But that ultimately can't be changed.
God is knowable because you will eventually choose to exit perception based existence and return to your natural state of knowing.
God has provided all the means for you to do that.
Jesus
My answer: Man created God. Science prove all religions wrong. science and religion are two opposite things. If there was God, he will be smart enough not to create science which will prove he does not exist.
Islam answer: God created man. God is the teacher and by his will and plan, he lead man to science. Nothing man will know or discover is out of God plan for man. Quran actually praised scientists and science and asked man to follow science and knowledge when ever, where ever. Quran asked man to contemplate in the nature, the sky, the land, the sea all over and see God signature in it. A man who pursue knowledge is better than the man who spends his time worshipping Allah.
Mohamad has no way of knowing that one day science will advance and people will discover the truth, otherwise, knowledge and science would have not been kosher.
In the medieval time, Muslim land was the land of the science and discovery. Something happened (May be the fundamentalists stopped teaching science because it starts to conflict with some of the religion common knowledge, America is on the way as fundamentalists are pushing for religion science such as Intel Design), and the muslim country fell into the darkness and never came back again. So when The west advanced in science and the war started between the scientists and the church, Muslims said, Oh ha, we told you christianity is false, it conflicts with science and logic and nature ( no doubt it does, so every other religion). Now muslims theologies are bringing all examples from Islam showing how Islam and God support science. A new branch of religion called Miracles of Quran is now a hut topic. It claims that Quran has numerical (Nostradamus) miracles, scientific miracles and astrology miracles. I used to teach those in the mosque. When I opend my eyes I found it all bull shit. And you wander why people still worship caws. Some believe that God became his son and torcherd him self and the cross and died and came back from the death all of this so man don't have to endure the sin, if you believe this story you will go to the special place in the sky called heaven. Other people believe rats are Gods. They are no less smart than me and you. To all of these believers God created science.
Again: All life is a delusion, if religion works for you, your happy then you are right, no matter how nonsense your story made to others. I did not mean to offend any one nor to change any ones position.
Islam answer: God created man. God is the teacher and by his will and plan, he lead man to science. Nothing man will know or discover is out of God plan for man. Quran actually praised scientists and science and asked man to follow science and knowledge when ever, where ever. Quran asked man to contemplate in the nature, the sky, the land, the sea all over and see God signature in it. A man who pursue knowledge is better than the man who spends his time worshipping Allah.
Mohamad has no way of knowing that one day science will advance and people will discover the truth, otherwise, knowledge and science would have not been kosher.
In the medieval time, Muslim land was the land of the science and discovery. Something happened (May be the fundamentalists stopped teaching science because it starts to conflict with some of the religion common knowledge, America is on the way as fundamentalists are pushing for religion science such as Intel Design), and the muslim country fell into the darkness and never came back again. So when The west advanced in science and the war started between the scientists and the church, Muslims said, Oh ha, we told you christianity is false, it conflicts with science and logic and nature ( no doubt it does, so every other religion). Now muslims theologies are bringing all examples from Islam showing how Islam and God support science. A new branch of religion called Miracles of Quran is now a hut topic. It claims that Quran has numerical (Nostradamus) miracles, scientific miracles and astrology miracles. I used to teach those in the mosque. When I opend my eyes I found it all bull shit. And you wander why people still worship caws. Some believe that God became his son and torcherd him self and the cross and died and came back from the death all of this so man don't have to endure the sin, if you believe this story you will go to the special place in the sky called heaven. Other people believe rats are Gods. They are no less smart than me and you. To all of these believers God created science.
Again: All life is a delusion, if religion works for you, your happy then you are right, no matter how nonsense your story made to others. I did not mean to offend any one nor to change any ones position.