DHS Buys Even More Hollow Point Ammo

[wjk]

Austerity may be on the way which could result in unrest. That might be what they are preparing for.

On the other hand:

Maybe they just want to keep ammo back ordered and off the shelves. Shelves are bare where I live. Either way, nothing to fear because gov is always good...just ask any lib.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

I would hope the congress would be asking these questions.

This purchase was of pistol calibre rounds, ie 9 Mill and .40. Most submachine guns use that kind of round. It is unlikely anyone could burn throught that much ammo in pistols, so you have to assume this is for subguns.

One possibility is that it it meant ultimately for transfer to groups somewhere overseas. Why else would wartime quantities be involved?

Another possibility is they are worrying about a virtual invasion from the south, brought on by perhaps a natural disaster or a total breakdown in order. Border patrol agents are armed with AR's though, not submachine guns.

Maybe they have a plan to clamp down on inner city violence in places like Chicago by stationing armed personnel on every corner. Doesn't sound like the kind of move Obama would make though.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from AK Forty Seven:

Calm down and when you can have a discussion without anger and insults come back PB

Translation: "I have no argument to counter your points".

 

[pspr]

Quote from AK Forty Seven:

Disagree pspr.The Constitution says The SC are the deciders of what is constitutional not the people

From the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

And, interesting questions from Judge Napolitano.
http://lewrockwell.com/napolitano/napolitano30.1.html

 

[PiggyBank]

Quote from AK Forty Seven:

I am not instigating anything.In a respectful manner with no insults I gave my opinion why The DHS had a right to buy ammo.I am not trying to tell you what to do just suggesting that the discussion here be civil

I just pointed out how you were obviously trying to instigate, if you want to deny it, whatever.

I didn't say the DHS doesn't have the 'right' to purchase ammo, I asked WHY they need it. Are they expecting a Red Dawn like scenario where paratroopers drop all over the nation? Is it just for training? Are they prepping for a civil war that doesn't exist? Or are they getting ready to enforce laws that are virtually certain to cause an uprising? I have no idea, but don't they work for us, the people paying the bills, don't we have a right to know WHY the fuck they need that much ammo?

It should be obvious that if the fed govt decided they were just going to, for instance, confiscate everyone's firearms that it would get real ugly. Not only is owning guns a Right, not only has the SC ruled it an individual right, but every single generation, from even before the US was officially formed, has owned firearms. Like I said, talk about confiscation does make some, and should make any private citizen weary of this admin and the fed govt in general.

 

[pspr]

And, an interesting article about a constitutional amendment to give the people the final say on close constitutional questions within the framework of this government.

http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/...ople-be-able-to-veto-supreme-court-decisions/

 

[AK Forty Seven]

Quote from pspr:

From the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal

All men were not considered equal when that was written.Things change,the constitution can change and the founding fathers made it that way

 

[pspr]

Quote from AK Forty Seven:

All men were not considered equal when that was written.Things change,the constitution can change and the founding fathers made it that way

First you are reading incorrectly the statement by the founders that "All men are created equal." They are saying that all men are created with equal rights, not equal abilities nor equal outcomes.

But that discussion has nothing to do with the fact that the founders believed it was the duty and the right of men to rid themselves of a government that they believed was no longer working for them.

 

[AK Forty Seven]

Quote from PiggyBank:

I just pointed out how you were obviously trying to instigate, if you want to deny it, whatever.

I didn't say the DHS doesn't have the 'right' to purchase ammo, I asked WHY they need it. Are they expecting a Red Dawn like scenario where paratroopers drop all over the nation? Is it just for training? Are they prepping for a civil war that doesn't exist? Or are they getting ready to enforce laws that are virtually certain to cause an uprising? I have no idea, but don't they work for us, the people paying the bills, don't we have a right to know WHY the fuck they need that much ammo?

It should be obvious that if the fed govt decided they were just going to, for instance, confiscate everyone's firearms that it would get real ugly. Not only is owning guns a Right, not only has the SC ruled it an individual right, but every single generation, from even before the US was officially formed, has owned firearms. Like I said, talk about confiscation does make some, and should make any private citizen weary of this admin and the fed govt in general.

1.I was not instigating anything ,I didn't insult anyone.My apologies if you felt insulted

2.IN MY OPINION They probably feel they need it because of people saying things like this and they want to be prepared in case people like this follow through with their threats

3.I dont think the gov ever had intentions to disarm everyone nor do I think it will ever happen but legally The Constitution can be changed to outlaw guns(no I don't support that)

 

[AK Forty Seven]

Quote from pspr:

First you are reading incorrectly the statement by the founders that "All men are created equal." They are saying that all men are created with equal rights,

When that was written all men were not created with equal rights in The US