Do you work in tech? If so, show some examples of backlog and complacency. Otherwise your opinion means nothing more than a used piece of toilet paper.
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Do you work in tech? If so, show some examples of backlog and complacency. Otherwise your opinion means nothing more than a used piece of toilet paper.
Sure, pick a tech niche or main area and I name you some specific examples. But as this is a financial website let me start with Bloomberg and Refinitiv. I know tons of managers, quants, and front line people there and pretty much every tech heavy project in both firms has come to an entire halt. All hands on deck to keep the core business running, not much else. Both firms are excellent examples because both pride themselves as being able to continue functioning with nobody in the office and everyone working from home. Yeah, the companies are kept afloat but not much else is happening right now at all. Especially Bloomberg usually is incredibly innovative on the technology side.
And the claim by another poster that remote work has been going on for ages is not true. Why do you think until very recently SF real estate prices have been out of any proportion? Because tech workers were kept on the various campuses to work in person. If remote work worked so well then Google and MSFT and many others would have sent all their workers home for the past 15 years. They have not by large majority. I believe the reason is that humans need social interaction other than the spouse and neighbor to be motivated, efficient, and productive. Every psychologist knows that. And let's all please cut the crap to use some anecdotal evidence of some small business nobody has ever heard of and nothing is verifiable. I named the two largest financial data and tech firms in the world and some of the largest software houses. Show me how a majority of Google or MSFT employees worked remotely before the crisis and we can talk. Who are all those highly paid people in the bay area?
And the claim by another poster that remote work has been going on for ages is not true. Why do you think until very recently SF real estate prices have been out of any proportion? Because tech workers were kept on the various campuses to work in person. If remote work worked so well then Google and MSFT and many others would have sent all their workers home for the past 15 years. They have not by large majority. I believe the reason is that humans need social interaction other than the spouse and neighbor to be motivated, efficient, and productive. Every psychologist knows that. And let's all please cut the crap to use some anecdotal evidence of some small business nobody has ever heard of and nothing is verifiable. I named the two largest financial data and tech firms in the world and some of the largest software houses. Show me how a majority of Google or MSFT employees worked remotely before the crisis and we can talk. Who are all those highly paid people in the bay area?
Do you work in tech? If so, show some examples of backlog and complacency. Otherwise your opinion means nothing more than a used piece of toilet paper.
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Your "evidence" is just as anecdotal, any articles to support your "I know tons of managers..."? Again, the whole "if this worked someone would already be doing it" and "because we've always done it this way" are exceedingly stupid rationales for contacting to do something. Curious where you work and at what level?Sure, pick a tech niche or main area and I name you some specific examples. But as this is a financial website let me start with Bloomberg and Refinitiv. I know tons of managers, quants, and front line people there and pretty much every tech heavy project in both firms has come to an entire halt. All hands on deck to keep the core business running, not much else. Both firms are excellent examples because both pride themselves as being able to continue functioning with nobody in the office and everyone working from home. Yeah, the companies are kept afloat but not much else is happening right now at all. Especially Bloomberg usually is incredibly innovative on the technology side.
And the claim by another poster that remote work has been going on for ages is not true. Why do you think until very recently SF real estate prices have been out of any proportion? Because tech workers were kept on the various campuses to work in person. If remote work worked so well then Google and MSFT and many others would have sent all their workers home for the past 15 years. They have not by large majority. I believe the reason is that humans need social interaction other than the spouse and neighbor to be motivated, efficient, and productive. Every psychologist knows that. And let's all please cut the crap to use some anecdotal evidence of some small business nobody has ever heard of and nothing is verifiable. I named the two largest financial data and tech firms in the world and some of the largest software houses. Show me how a majority of Google or MSFT employees worked remotely before the crisis and we can talk. Who are all those highly paid people in the bay area?
Sure, pick a tech niche or main area and I name you some specific examples. But as this is a financial website let me start with Bloomberg and Refinitiv. I know tons of managers, quants, and front line people there and pretty much every tech heavy project in both firms has come to an entire halt. All hands on deck to keep the core business running, not much else. Both firms are excellent examples because both pride themselves as being able to continue functioning with nobody in the office and everyone working from home. Yeah, the companies are kept afloat but not much else is happening right now at all. Especially Bloomberg usually is incredibly innovative on the technology side.
Which projects? What are the names? Which teams. Name them.
Show links and/or communications.
Otherwise you are just making all of this up.
And your fictitious small company is less anecdotal? Anyone who works in the professional banking space and works closely with BBG and Refinitiv knows exactly what I am talking about. And just because you call something stupid does not mean it is. How about you name your firm first that you cited as glorious example of the success of remote work. And what is your verifiable track record? Your public profile? Though so...so please don't ridicule yourself asking others for details when you sit in your basement behind your anonymous handle yourself...
Your "evidence" is just as anecdotal, any articles to support your "I know tons of managers..."? Again, the whole "if this worked someone would already be doing it" and "because we've always done it this way" are exceedingly stupid rationales for contacting to do something. Curious where you work and at what level?
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No, I don't why should I? Because to prove something to you? I don't need to. You have the choice to believe whatever you want. And I am happy to disagree with you. But I don't name sources that I upheld not to reveal. So, why are there so many tech workers living and working in the bay area when they can hardly feed their own families? If they could all work remotely why are they paying stupendous real estate prices? Care to address this question? And why have tech company not switched completely to remote work years ago? Care to address this question, too?
And for the sake of a fruitful discussion going forward. You look like a child bullying people by saying that if they don't tell you what you want to hear then they made everything up. How about talking like adults. Would you care to address my questions or are those irrefutable facts that fly in the face of your argument?
And for the sake of a fruitful discussion going forward. You look like a child bullying people by saying that if they don't tell you what you want to hear then they made everything up. How about talking like adults. Would you care to address my questions or are those irrefutable facts that fly in the face of your argument?
Which projects? What are the names? Which teams. Name them.
Show links and/or communications.
Otherwise you are just making all of this up.
No, I don't why should I? Because to prove something to you? I don't need to. You have the choice to believe whatever you want. And I am happy to disagree with you. But I don't name sources that I upheld not to reveal. So, why are there so many tech workers living and working in the bay area when they can hardly feed their own families? If they could all work remotely why are they paying stupendous real estate prices? Care to address this question? And why have tech company not switched completely to remote work years ago? Care to address this question, too?
And for the sake of a fruitful discussion going forward. You look like a child bullying people by saying that if they don't tell you what you want to hear then they made everything up. How about talking like adults. Would you care to address my questions or are those irrefutable facts that fly in the face of your argument?
You made the original assertion that remote is not the future and orgs are having issues being fully remote, you provide the proof. I could say I am the King of England otherwise who are you to say I'm not?
You getting so defensive in your response shows you really have no facts. If you did you would post them and let the facts talk for you.
Here's my argument not that I provided one to start: You are looking backwards. You see the history of people working in offices and say that must continue. I'll assert perhaps going forward companies/orgs are not going back to that model. In other words what happened in the past does not predict the future. I hope you don't drive forward by only looking into the rearview mirror.
So you did not answer any of the questions. So let me answer it for you. People need face to face time at work to be efficient, effective, and innovative. Some don't but many do. Also business travel will come back online after covid for the exact same reason. Most large deals will not be agreed over some phone or video call but in person. Never have been never will be.
And you have the entire logic backward. You are saying something that has proven to work for the past 30 years is about to change but you can't name a single valid argument and reason a) what that huge catalyst would be (and please don't embarrass yourself and say covid) and b) why people would suddenly figure it all out now how awesome remote work is when over the past 30 years they have not). Are you insinuating that people were stupid until you came along?
And you have the entire logic backward. You are saying something that has proven to work for the past 30 years is about to change but you can't name a single valid argument and reason a) what that huge catalyst would be (and please don't embarrass yourself and say covid) and b) why people would suddenly figure it all out now how awesome remote work is when over the past 30 years they have not). Are you insinuating that people were stupid until you came along?
You made the original assertion that remote is not the future and orgs are having issues being fully remote, you provide the proof. I could say I am the King of England otherwise who are you to say I'm not?
You getting so defensive in your response shows you really have no facts. If you did you would post them and let the facts talk for you.
Here's my argument not that I provided one to start: You are looking backwards. You see the history of people working in offices and say that must continue. I'll assert perhaps going forward companies/orgs are not going back to that model. In other words what happened in the past does not predict the future. I hope you don't drive forward by only looking into the rearview mirror.
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The guy's apparently blocked me for having the audacity to disagree with him using my personal story and pointing out that his second hand report of what's happening at Bloomberg is just as anecdotal as those he was accusing of providing anecdotal evidence. Looks like he's far too special of a snowflake for this site. Also most probably not out of college yet so no experience in the real world which means anything we say to him will fall on deaf ears. C'est la vie, the more people like him out there the easier it is for people like us to make money at the expense of their combination of stupidity and stubbornness.You made the original assertion that remote is not the future and orgs are having issues being fully remote, you provide the proof. I could say I am the King of England otherwise who are you to say I'm not?
You getting so defensive in your response shows you really have no facts. If you did you would post them and let the facts talk for you.
Here's my argument not that I provided one to start: You are looking backwards. You see the history of people working in offices and say that must continue. I'll assert perhaps going forward companies/orgs are not going back to that model. In other words what happened in the past does not predict the future. I hope you don't drive forward by only looking into the rearview mirror.