Determining Pullbacks

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You willing to take this to PM - I'll share my take on it Sir

Nothing super special - just plain ole common sense

RN

Hi Redneck,

would you mind sharing via a PM to me as well?

Thanks.
 
We talking M1 or D1 trading here first and what kinda market ??

M1 entry; M5-15-30 for patterns, M60-D1 overall view

M1, stick to Range and Range with direction if there is 1, pull backs and tricky to trade as no way to tell, when there pull back or a change of trend until after.

@Turveyd very true. I only use M1 for entries, but do not scalp. The intention is for protracted moves.

Obviously, get in near low, tight SL, getting in on the move up needs to big a SL with too high odds on goin back to against you.

Exactly why I posed the original question. If you can read the pullback very well, it gives you an opportunity to pick bottoms/tops giving a better R:R. However, without a good read, picking bottoms/tops is way more costly than entering on a move up and not good for business :confused:
 
You willing to take this to PM - I'll share my take on it Sir

I know the type of input you are capable of, so heck yeah I'll take it to PM! :)

Nothing super special - just plain ole common sense

One would think so right!. My read is pretty good and I can get it spot on about 75% of the time. The other 25% is what I am trying to work on for further improvement.
 
would you mind sharing via a PM to me as well?
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This is a big one!


You gotta know it on another level.

@lawrence-lugar I agree. As simple as the concept is, the truth can be far from that. It takes years to really understand the personality of each pullback and how to handle them. However, there's always a little more to learn right?!

Trading is kind of sometimes hard to explain

Yes it can be, but there are some that are good at making it easy (a la @NoDoji , @Handle123 , @Redneck etc.)

it's just something you pickup on a 6'th sense from watching and learning about it so long. o_O

I equate 6th sense with it being handled by your subconscious. However, when allowed to dwell in the conscious, it allows for better prep when anticipating a trade and makes a better trader overall.
 
After the market has tested it's intra-day high, the previous close or any other significant resistance area, those pullbacks aren't nearly as reliable as buying the pullbacks prior to the move to test those price levels...It's like the market has a magnet attached to it and it has to run those stops or test those levels, but once it does and pulls back, I don't want any part of it.

@der_kommissar I hadn't looked at it from that angle.

Do you think that this may be the case due to the fact that the participating side (e.g. bulls) has a bias conviction to reach the magnet and so keep on persisting, while the counter party willfully allows them and waits their "turn"?

Also, do you think that the pullbacks are more simple (single legged), as well as reliable, during the mornings due to the urgency factor to buy or liquidate by the bigger funds?. When an order is 75% completed (over the morning session), price may takes precedence over the urgency and so the accommodation of a complex pullback is allowed in return for a better fill price?
 
Good questions, I do think that there is a tendency for that morning bounce (and it's been very prevalent recently)...And I believe that the tendency for the pullbacks to work prior to that key test of resistance (for instance today it was a run to get back to yesterday's lows) is that it's something of a feedback loop since price seems to gravitate to those key areas...
 
I do think that there is a tendency for that morning bounce (and it's been very prevalent recently)...And I believe that the tendency for the pullbacks to work prior to that key test of resistance (for instance today it was a run to get back to yesterday's lows) is that it's something of a feedback loop since price seems to gravitate to those key areas...

Indexes tend to trade a little differently than individual equities partly because there are a larger number of "big players" trying to imply their convictions. They also tend to have bigger pockets and so the pullbacks in indexes (maybe even forex, futures and commodities) may have a higher % of complex pullbacks as opposed to simple ones.

I mainly trade momentum equities and those tend to be cleaner.
 
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