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Should dest have mod-privileges on his own journal?

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NoahA said:
And this is where you are wrong. He trades a full ES contract, and sometimes 2 or 3. I have no money to bet, but I've seen enough of his work and talked with him enough to know the struggle is real, and his results in the past few weeks are real as well. If you feel so confident, bet him $1k that he is trading the full ES contract and that the results he posted this week are real.
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Cool story, Bro. So all you got out of my informal fallacy dig to you was that my micro-lot insult was the gotcha moment?

I've already won.

I've lost approximately $9K in wagers (paid) on this site. The money was incidental to what was revealed by the wager. Betting that clown would be adding insult to injury as whether he trades one micro or one big isn't the point. It was simply an insult. He's been trading for decades and hasn't achieved self-sufficiency? I leave well enough alone until you enter my thread. Pretty simple.

My goal was to get baron to publicly address the poll results and acquiesce. He addressed it publicly which made you tools lose your sht and fill his inbox with hate.

I almost consider Baron a friend and it was shtty to manipulate the situation, but it's what I do.

And he's gone...
 
destriero said:
Cool story, Bro. So all you got out of my informal fallacy dig to you was that my micro-lot insult was the gotcha moment?

I've already won.

I've lost approximately $9K in wagers (paid) on this site. The money was incidental to what was revealed by the wager. Betting that clown would be adding insult to injury as whether he trades one micro of one big isn't the point. It was simply an insult. He's been trading for decades and hasn't achieved self-sufficiency? I leave well enough alone until you enter my thread. Pretty simple.

My goal was to get baron to publicly address the poll results and acquiesce. He addressed it publicly which made you tools lose your sht and fill his inbox with hate.

I almost consider Baron a friend and it was shtty to manipulate the situation, but it's what I do.

And he's gone...
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Like I said... we are your whore to degrade. At least this way you aren't bringing a disease home to your wife... LOL
 
@Baron I think the fix should just be those that Dest has blocked or who have blocked dest lose their ability to post in Dest's threads. That's the way FF does it and it makes sense to me.

The current system is so dumb. Like how do you block someone and still be able to go into his thread and start posting and stir shit up. Like you dont' have enough self respect to just leave him alone after you block him.
 
1. This is Dest's Job/Business, plus he has other greater responsibilities at home a lot of us don't have so he's going to be pretty intense.

2. No trolling Journals or Trading threads.

3. Vinnie shoulda been banned from this thread. His sole purpose here is to annoy Dest.
 
My god I feel like I'm back in 3rd grade....

The OP of ANY thread should immediately be made mod of his own thread. 33 pages and almost zero trading value in this thread. What does that tell you about the people contributing here?

All of you people need to get a life. If you're not currently profitable you need to close your mouth until you are (unless you are asking questions to make you profitable). IOW, shut up and learn.

I've been at this a year and a half and I made it while doing this completely alone. No prop desk, no mentors, no good books (I've read books, but most of them suck), no forums. It can be done. Almost every reddit, quora, futures.io. or other bullshit website was filled with the same people that fill this website: non thinking, crowd following, trolls. It is ultimately a waste of time and detrimental to one's health and capital to be a member of any of these sites. Most profitable traders do not waste their time here for that reason, and the few that do, you end up chasing away.

I have news for you: most successful traders are either stoic as fuck or completely abrasive/aggressive. Trading makes you realize how full of shit the rest of humanity is, and it changes you how you interact with other people. Des seems to be one of those people and I applaud him for it (it means that he's still human and not some unthinking, unfeeling robot).

To those who are currently struggling and actually want to learn, and not troll:

Who am I? I only trade futures. I only trade intraday (no overnight holding). I trade mostly price action in response to obvious levels that everyone in the world can see. Price action any other time is a losing man's game.

I trade a few times a day on a few products. There are, in my opinion, only a few good trades to be had each day on futures. These are the large intraday swings where you can bank 60-200 on NQ, 10-30 on ES, 1.00 on Crude, etc. My edge is asymmetrical upside potential based on the limited risk I put on. Sometimes that is 4:1, sometimes that is 10:1. My philosophy is that you can always define your risk, but never your upside. You keep trying to lose small, win small, or breakeven until that trade comes along that you can't ever plan for, that ends up being the start of a new trend, in which you bank large.

I might try to put on a position 4 times at an area, churning small P/L for maybe 10-20 minutes, and then finally get my position on at the 5th attempt and then bank large. I count that as 1 trade because there was really only 1 trade there, and that trade was what I was trying to capture.

I also add to winning positions and move my stop to BE once I feel a possible retracement is no longer on the table. My initial 3-5 probe lot might become a 15-20 lot, and when I hit my profit target I hit with size. I increase my return on risk that way while decreasing potential losses to zero. My 4:1 might become 7:0 since I'm adding size and not allowing myself to lose money on a trade that is now at breakeven, far away from current price. I'm currently making close to $10k a day, which for me is great, considering I've been at this less than 2 years and taught myself everything, and am still scaling up aggressively. I plan to have my first $100k day sometime next year.

Proof? No person in their right mind would ever show their account # or name on a thread like this. They may get stalked or shot. The mental insanity here cannot be taken lightly.

I tried mentoring a fellow trader - unsuccessfully, as he ended up being a gambler - but here are some pics I took over the last few months. I have many but here are a couple, just to illustrate a point.

One of these is my own account, another is an Apex funded account - to show him you could run one of these accounts up and use them as seed capital for your own account -, and another is an account I threw $1,000 in to show him you could build it up with micros and then begin trading larger after only a week or so. The idea was that anything is possible, even with a small account, but ultimately it fell on deaf ears.

If the images look doctored it's because they are. Sierra Chart shows your account # and other identifying information after each trade, so that was naturally cut out. On Apex I left "Apex" there so show which Apex account I was referring to.

Main:
https://ibb.co/F52790d

Small:
https://ibb.co/8MHbzTm

Apex1:
https://ibb.co/m9X7Kdc

Apex2:
https://ibb.co/L6RWRwV

Moral of the story: If your goal here is to waste everyone's time then job well done. You will never be successful. 95% of this thread and website are the exact reason I rarely come to places like this. I have better things to do.

Best of luck to you all.
 
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Darc said:
1. This is Dest's Job/Business, plus he has other greater responsibilities at home a lot of us don't have so he's going to be pretty intense.

2. No trolling Journals or Trading threads.

3. Vinnie shoulda been banned from this thread. His sole purpose here is to annoy Dest.
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if todd is annoyed by me, why doesn't he block me?
 
GutterSlut said:
My god I feel like I'm back in 3rd grade....

The OP of ANY thread should immediately be made mod of his own thread. 33 pages and almost zero trading value in this thread. What does that tell you about the people contributing here?

All of you people need to get a life. If you're not currently profitable you need to close your mouth until you are (unless you are asking questions to make you profitable). IOW, shut up and learn.

I've been at this a year and a half and I made it while doing this completely alone. No prop desk, no mentors, no good books (I've read books, but most of them suck), no forums. It can be done. Almost every reddit, quora, futures.io. or other bullshit website was filled with the same people that fill this website: non thinking, crowd following, trolls. It is ultimately a waste of time and detrimental to one's health and capital to be a member of any of these sites. Most profitable traders do not waste their time here for that reason, and the few that do, you end up chasing away.

I have news for you: most successful traders are either stoic as fuck or completely abrasive/aggressive. Trading makes you realize how full of shit the rest of humanity is, and it changes you how you interact with other people. Des seems to be one of those people and I applaud him for it (it means that he's still human and not some unthinking, unfeeling robot).

To those who are currently struggling and actually want to learn, and not troll:

Who am I? I only trade futures. I only trade intraday (no overnight holding). I trade mostly price action in response to obvious levels that everyone in the world can see. Price action any other time is a losing man's game.

I trade a few times a day on a few products. There are, in my opinion, only a few good trades to be had each day on futures. These are the large intraday swings where you can bank 60-200 on NQ, 10-30 on ES, 1.00 on Crude, etc. My edge is asymmetrical upside potential based on the limited risk I put on. Sometimes that is 4:1, sometimes that is 10:1. My philosophy is that you can always define your risk, but never your upside. You keep trying to lose small, win small, or breakeven until that trade comes along that you can't ever plan for, that ends up being the start of a new trend, in which you bank large.

I might try to put on a position 4 times at an area, churning small P/L for maybe 10-20 minutes, and then finally get my position on at the 5th attempt and then bank large. I count that as 1 trade because there was really only 1 trade there, and that trade was what I was trying to capture.

I also add to winning positions and move my stop to BE once I feel a possible retracement is no longer on the table. My initial 3-5 probe lot might become a 15-20 lot, and when I hit my profit target I hit with size. I increase my return on risk that way while decreasing potential losses to zero. My 4:1 might become 7:0 since I'm adding size and not allowing myself to lose money on a trade that is now at breakeven, far away from current price. I'm currently making close to $10k a day, which for me is great, considering I've been at this less than 2 years and taught myself everything, and am still scaling up aggressively. I plan to have my first $100k day sometime next year.

Proof? No person in their right mind would ever show their account # or name on a thread like this. They may get stalked or shot. The mental insanity here cannot be taken lightly.

I tried mentoring a fellow trader - unsuccessfully, as he ended up being a gambler - but here are some pics I took over the last few months. I have many but here are a couple, just to illustrate a point.

One of these is my own account, another is an Apex funded account - to show him you could run one of these accounts up and use them as seed capital for your own account -, and another is an account I threw $1,000 in to show him you could build it up with micros and then begin trading larger after only a week or so. The idea was that anything is possible, even with a small account, but ultimately it fell on deaf ears.

If the images look doctored it's because they are. Sierra Chart shows your account # and other identifying information after each trade, so that was naturally cut out. On Apex I left "Apex" there so show which Apex account I was referring to.

Main:
https://ibb.co/F52790d

Small:
https://ibb.co/8MHbzTm

Apex1:
https://ibb.co/m9X7Kdc

Apex2:
https://ibb.co/L6RWRwV

Moral of the story: If your goal here is to waste everyone's time then job well done. You will never be successful. 95% of this thread and website are the exact reason I rarely come to places like this. I have better things to do. I'm even willing to forego learning from an options guy because it's not worth the hassle of dealing with the children in the meantime.

Best of luck to you all.
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so u are a funded trader, huh? why don't u trade with your own money? u ain't ready to lose your own money yet?
 
vincentnyc said:
so u are a funded trader, huh? why don't u trade with your own money? u ain't ready to lose your own money yet?
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Thank you for proving my point. You were too lazy and/or stupid to read my post. All the answers to your questions and insinuations are there and in full, had you bothered to actually read it.

I trade my own account and was using Apex temporarily to teach someone else that they could both: 1) trade Apex successfully, and 2) trade small account and grow it.

I have shown both my account and Apex accounts. The first link is my main account. The second link is my small account. The third and fourth are Apex. Is this really that hard for you? THEY ARE EVEN LABELED.

Why do I even bother explaining myself in a place like this?
 
hilmy83 said:
@Baron I think the fix should just be those that Dest has blocked or who have blocked dest lose their ability to post in Dest's threads. That's the way FF does it and it makes sense to me.

The current system is so dumb. Like how do you block someone and still be able to go into his thread and start posting and stir shit up. Like you dont' have enough self respect to just leave him alone after you block him.
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I, for being one of those folks who blocked Dest, don't care about this thread or its content. What I do care is that Dest should not be given a special privilege. Why should he? He, being a larger-than-life narcissist (aka asshole), believes he's above everyone else. Isn't that why he disses anyone and everyone with no restraint? Anyway, I'm out for good. Ciao!

BTW don't be so damn obtuse. If you haven't already noticed, it's Dest who trashes everyone else's thread with his "me, me, me" comments. Even here, it's all about him.
 
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