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[vanzandt]

No idea why someone structures the way they do. It was a bullish trade for one side. Probably a fiduciary hedging into locked insider position.

I went through the S-1 again, a lot of times insiders are strictly prohibited from any kind of hedging via derivatives. As best as I can tell however, that was not the case here. So yes, it might be a fiduciary hedging a large position.
When someone does a large transaction like that, is that negotiated prior to the print? IE is there person to person interaction between the buyer/seller or can something like that just hit wires? 4200 contracts on the Q's or a fang stock is no big deal, but something like this? It seems like that would have to be negotiated.

 

[destriero]

I went through the S-1 again, a lot of times insiders are strictly prohibited from any kind of hedging via derivatives. As best as I can tell however, that was not the case here. So yes, it might be a fiduciary hedging a large position.
When someone does a large transaction like that, is that negotiated prior to the print? IE is there person to person interaction between the buyer/seller or can something like that just hit wires? 4200 contracts on the Q's or a fang stock is no big deal, but something like this? It seems like that would have to be negotiated.

They aren't. They do it OTC and the bank lays it off listed.

 

[destriero]

I went through the S-1 again, a lot of times insiders are strictly prohibited from any kind of hedging via derivatives. As best as I can tell however, that was not the case here. So yes, it might be a fiduciary hedging a large position.
When someone does a large transaction like that, is that negotiated prior to the print? IE is there person to person interaction between the buyer/seller or can something like that just hit wires? 4200 contracts on the Q's or a fang stock is no big deal, but something like this? It seems like that would have to be negotiated.

Sure, in the sense that they don't hit the post with 4,200 contracts and hope for the best. I don't think that matters to the discussion, tho. I don't think the trade offers any color on whether the vol is a buy/sell or the company is more interesting as a result. Any more so that 5K lots printing from sell-side paper means anything as we're not privy to what occurs OTC.

 

[destriero]

I went through the S-1 again, a lot of times insiders are strictly prohibited from any kind of hedging via derivatives. As best as I can tell however, that was not the case here. So yes, it might be a fiduciary hedging a large position.
When someone does a large transaction like that, is that negotiated prior to the print? IE is there person to person interaction between the buyer/seller or can something like that just hit wires? 4200 contracts on the Q's or a fang stock is no big deal, but something like this? It seems like that would have to be negotiated.

I know of two board members of public companies that entered into cash-settled collars in the OTC market on their holdings. I don't know if that specific transaction is a violation of any regs, as no stock would have to transact, but I don't care as it has zero impact on my trading. Any more so that a 5K lot in a mid-cap results in my taking an interest in taking a vol-position. Deciphering option volume is pointless. You're not going to know what precipitated the transaction and therefore any position is taken blindly.

 

[destriero]

Caveat. You see 20K puts go off under NBBO bid then it's actionable.

 

[vanzandt]

Sure, in the sense that they don't hit the post with 4,200 contracts and hope for the best. I don't think that matters to the discussion, tho. I don't think the trade offers any color on whether the vol is a buy/sell or the company is more interesting as a result. Any more so that 5K lots printing from sell-side paper means anything as we're not privy to what occurs OTC.

Well its dropping like a rock.
Whoever it is is up almost $800,000 in one day on the trade so far.
Someone bought a bunch of $30 puts today too.

I don't know if you read it in the other thread, but the S-1 has lockup expiring in 121 days from launch.
Every other company for the most part uses 180 days.
Beats me.... but the 121 day clock runs out Sunday, and there's about a gillion shares coming off lock-up.

The company has a market-cap of $8.2B and forecast 2021 sales of $6.4M

 

[destriero]

Well its dropping like a rock.
Whoever it is is up almost $800,000 in one day on the trade so far.
Someone bought a bunch of $30 puts today too.

I don't know if you read it in the other thread, but the S-1 has lockup expiring in 121 days from launch.
Every other company for the most part uses 180 days.
Beats me.... but the 121 day clock runs out Sunday, and there's about a gillion shares coming off lock-up.

The company has a market-cap of $8.2B and forecast 2021 sales of $6.4M

Either it's a fiduciary front-running or it's someone on the Street. The point is that regardless; everyone knows that shares will be hitting the mkt.

 

[destriero]

They are the only pure play that's listed. High corr to GOOGL and it was down >1% today.

 

[newwurldmn]

I know of two board members of public companies that entered into cash-settled collars in the OTC market on their holdings. I don't know if that specific transaction is a violation of any regs, as no stock would have to transact, but I don't care as it has zero impact on my trading. Any more so that a 5K lot in a mid-cap results in my taking an interest in taking a vol-position. Deciphering option volume is pointless. You're not going to know what precipitated the transaction and therefore any position is taken blindly.

It’s done OTC and it’s not against the regs if it’s not done around blackout periods.

 

[vanzandt]

Either it's a fiduciary front-running or it's someone on the Street. The point is that regardless; everyone knows that shares will be hitting the mkt.

Well, its confusing.
121 calendar days, calendar days being which every S-1's I have ever looked at uses, would have put the expiration last month on 8/14. (Using 4/15 as the start date.)

But if they used trading days, that would put the expiration on 10/5.

Now when you say everyone knows when the shares are hitting the street, I'm not sure about that because the websites that post lockup expiration's, including the NASDAQ website ( https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/ipos/overview?dealId=1151817-96837 ) all show 10/12, which is 180 calendar days from 4/15.

The S-1 says this however:

As I said... beats me.