DeSantis for the win

[jem]

its another model in which you seem to assign blame based on conjecture from their modeling.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7480051/


"In this study, we take advantage of county-level variation in Covid-19 mortality to estimate excess deaths associated with the pandemic and examine how the extent of excess mortality not assigned to Covid-19 varies across subsets of counties defined by sociodemographic and health characteristics."

 

[jem]

by the way... lets review this...
this is part of the reason why... the govt has not been truthful with us..


Covid is destroying the unhealthy... especially old with issues, the fat and diabetic in poorer areas.

"Our stratified models revealed that the percentage of excess deaths not assigned to Covid-19 was substantially higher among counties with lower median household incomes and less formal education, counties with poorer health and more diabetes, and counties in the South and West. Counties with more non-Hispanic Black residents, who were already at high risk of Covid-19 death based on direct counts, also reported higher percentages of excess deaths not assigned to Covid-19. Study limitations include the use of provisional data that may be incomplete and the lack of disaggregated data on county-level mortality by age, sex, race/ethnicity, and sociodemographic and health characteristics."

 

[Tsing Tao]

A new day.... a new study showing Florida greatly under-counted COVID deaths. This county by county study showing that rural counties in Florida accounted for most of the under-reporting. This new study brought to use courtesy of researchers at Boston University, the University of Pennsylvania and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

So I was right, not about the studies being the same, but that there was a GWB Lie ™. That's why GWB conspicuously went absent after pointing out the studies are different.

The conclusion of this new study showing "Florida greatly under-counted COVID deaths" is actually a study showing:

In this study, we found that direct Covid-19 death counts in the United States in 2020 substantially underestimated total excess mortality attributable to Covid-19. Racial and socioeconomic inequities in Covid-19 mortality also increased when excess deaths not assigned to Covid-19 were considered. Our results highlight the importance of considering health equity in the policy response to the pandemic.
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It has nothing specifically to do with Florida. Sure, rural counties did most of the undercounting, but rural counties EVERYWHERE in the country. The study examined counties all across the US and found the same problem everywhere. This has nothing damning about Florida in it. In fact, it doesn't even mention Florida at all outside of the county list (with every other US county). But to hear the Narrative Pusher ™ tell the story, you'd think that this was something damning for Florida.

the GWB Lie ™. Coming soon to a theatre near you!

 

[gwb-trading]

So I was right, not about the studies being the same, but that there was a GWB Lie ™. That's why GWB conspicuously went absent after pointing out the studies are different.

The conclusion of this new study showing "Florida greatly under-counted COVID deaths" is actually a study showing:

In this study, we found that direct Covid-19 death counts in the United States in 2020 substantially underestimated total excess mortality attributable to Covid-19. Racial and socioeconomic inequities in Covid-19 mortality also increased when excess deaths not assigned to Covid-19 were considered. Our results highlight the importance of considering health equity in the policy response to the pandemic.
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It has nothing specifically to do with Florida. The study examined counties all across the US and found the same problem everywhere. This has nothing damning about Florida in it. In fact, it doesn't even mention Florida at all outside of the county list (with every other US county). But to hear the Narrative Pusher ™ tell the story, you'd think that this was something damning for Florida.

the GWB Lie ™. Coming soon to a theatre near you!

So once again you take one paragraph out of the article.... while ignoring the rest of the article focused on the Florida rural counties under-counting COVID deaths by 50% or more.

Of course -- your claim was that this was the same study and therefore it was a "GWB Lie" was demonstrated to be completely false -- but you want to re-direct from that subject. On to your next thing - your regular selective quoting of an article while ignoring the rest of the article which provides proper context and facts. SAD!

 

[Tsing Tao]

So once again you take one paragraph out of the article.... while ignoring the rest of the article focused on the Florida rural counties under-counting COVID deaths by 50% or more.

Of course -- your claim was that this was the same study and therefore it was a "GWB Lie" was demonstrated to be completely false -- but you want to re-direct from that subject. On to your next thing - your regular selective quoting of an article while ignoring the rest of the article which provides proper context and facts. SAD!

Unlike you, I admit my errors and did so openly right when you pointed it out. That they are two different studies is not in dispute anymore. I was incorrect, and freely admitted it. Move on.

What IS in dispute is your hilarious attempt at painting this as a Florida problem when the study says nothing specific about Florida outside of the fact that Florida had the same problems that other states had.

The GWB Lie ™. Now with no High Fructose Corn Syrup!

 

[gwb-trading]

Unlike you, I admit my errors and did so openly right when you pointed it out. That they are two different studies is not in dispute anymore. I was incorrect, and freely admitted it. Move on.

What IS in dispute is your hilarious attempt at painting this as a Florida problem when the study says nothing specific about Florida outside of the fact that Florida had the same problems that other states had.

The GWB Lie ™. Now with no High Fructose Corn Syrup!

Why don't you go read the article again. Focus on all the paragraphs about Florida Counties.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Why don't you go read the article again. Focus on all the paragraphs about Florida Counties.

The article is irrelevant. The article comes from a Florida paper who hates DeSantis and has a narrative to push. Like you.

The Study is what is relevant. And if you read the study and go through it all (I did) it is not about Florida. The problem that the study is pointing out is everywhere in the US and it has to do with data collection and methodology.

The GWB Lie ™! Void where prohibited by law!

 

[gwb-trading]

The article is irrelevant. The article comes from a Florida paper who hates DeSantis and has a narrative to push. Like you.

The Study is what is relevant. And if you read the study and go through it all (I did) it is not about Florida. The problem that the study is pointing out is everywhere in the US and it has to do with data collection and methodology.

The GWB Lie ™! Void where prohibited by law!

Are you attacking the source again --- rather than refuting the FACTS provided by a well-respected main stream media source.

Let's take a look at the media source you are claiming is a "Florida paper who hates DeSantis and has a narrative to push".

South Florida Sun-Sentinel
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/south-florida-sun-sentinel/

Overall, we rate the South Florida Sun-Sentinel Least Biased based on balanced editorials. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Are you attacking the source again --- rather than refuting the FACTS provided by a well-respected main stream media source.

Let's take a look at the media source you are claiming is a "Florida paper who hates DeSantis and has a narrative to push".

South Florida Sun-Sentinel
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/south-florida-sun-sentinel/

Overall, we rate the South Florida Sun-Sentinel Least Biased based on balanced editorials. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

Not attacking the source at all. That's what you do all the time. I'm not a card carrying member of the GWB lie ™ brigade. All I'm saying is that the Sun Sentinel hates DeSantis and is relevant to Florida, so they would naturally point out only the portion of the data relevant to Florida, making it appear like Florida is the issue when it is the whole country that is the issue (the way the data was reported). Do try to keep up.

And MediaBiasFactCheck is just as biased as other "fact check" orgs.

 

[gwb-trading]

Not attacking the source at all. That's what you do all the time. I'm not a card carrying member of the GWB lie ™ brigade. All I'm saying is that the Sun Sentinel hates DeSantis and is relevant to Florida, so they would naturally point out only the portion of the data relevant to Florida, making it appear like Florida is the issue when it is the whole country that is the issue (the way the data was reported). Do try to keep up.

And MediaBiasFactCheck is just as biased as other "fact check" orgs.

This, of course, is coming from a guy who posts charts and refuses to the reveal the source of the charts. Regularly we have to hunt down the source -- which turns out to be either the Twitter account or a blog of a rabid COVID-denier who pushes completely nonfactual nonsense. Of course, you know this -- which is why you refuse to provide the source url of your charts containing fake data driving fabricated political points.