DeSantis for the win

[UsualName]

Excellent. What did I put out there that was "fair analysis"?

You’re making statements that aren’t exactly fair such a booming economy and a excellent results. Some of this stuff is genuinely good but nothing is really knock your socks off.

As to fair, looking at deaths after the first initial wave when we did not have a good handle on what Covid is and how to treat it, doesn’t really show Florida doing any better or worse than most of the country.

What I’ve noticed is that restrictions don’t Trump infections. Meaning people’s behavior seems to more closely follow infection rates than restrictions. It’s observable that when cases spike people pull back.

 

[gwb-trading]

no, I'm too busy living my life and watching the numbers for COVID and the economy - and going outside, having my kid go to school, and generally experiencing an excellent Florida winter - to concern myself with your rags and ragging, your hating and your conspiracies.

From your silly article:

CHIEF CRITIC
"We ask why we think there is a racism problem perceived in Manatee County? This adds to that argument," Servia said. "You’re taking the whitest and richest demographic in Manatee County and putting them ahead of everyone else."
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Manatee county is like 85% white. The whole county - there aren't areas of minorities really anywhere. Its the county directly south of where I live. And there are very, very few areas that are "rich". LOL

So DeSantis only supports providing vaccines to rich, white people who support him and donate to his campaigns. We all clearly understand this now.

P.S. -- Don't criticize the tyrant.

 

[Tsing Tao]

You’re making statements that aren’t exactly fair such a booming economy and a excellent results. Some of this stuff is genuinely good but nothing is really knock your socks off.

You're generalizing on my statements that were made about specific items. For example, booming was referring to real estate. Excellent results were based on COVID numbers - particularly the success in nursing homes. You can't just go through 300 pages and generalize the statements without context. Happy to discuss a specific number, and whether it is good or bad or so-so. This is the third time I've said that.

As to fair, looking at deaths after the first initial wave when we did not have a good handle on what Covid is and how to treat it, doesn’t really show Florida doing any better or worse than most of the country.

You've said this before. My reply hasn't changed. Convenient stats and all that. The point isn't that Florida is doing better or worse but that Florida - if beholden to the supposedly worse governor in the history of governors - should be much, much worse. You've inserted yourself at the end of 300 pages of back and forth over this topic, and think you can sum it up in one post. You can't.

What I’ve noticed is that restrictions don’t Trump infections. Meaning people’s behavior seems to more closely follow infection rates than restrictions. It’s observable that when cases spike people pull back.

Pull back from what? And I was going to type "trumpy trump ...etc". You're so used to typing the word with a capital letter that the actual word is alien!

 

[Tsing Tao]

So DeSantis only supports providing vaccines to rich, white people who support him and donate to his campaigns. We all clearly understand this now.

P.S. -- Don't criticize the tyrant.

Criticize every one who does anything bad or immoral. But praise when they deserve it. You only go one way, and that's your problem.

 

[UsualName]

You're generalizing on my statements that were made about specific items. For example, booming was referring to real estate. Excellent results were based on COVID numbers - particularly the success in nursing homes. You can't just go through 300 pages and generalize the statements without context. Happy to discuss a specific number, and whether it is good or bad or so-so. This is the third time I've said that.



You've said this before. My reply hasn't changed. Convenient stats and all that. The point isn't that Florida is doing better or worse but that Florida - if beholden to the supposedly worse governor in the history of governors - should be much, much worse. You've inserted yourself at the end of 300 pages of back and forth over this topic, and think you can sum it up in one post. You can't.



Pull back from what? And I was going to type "trumpy trump ...etc". You're so used to typing the word with a capital letter that the actual word is alien!

Nah. The word Trump automatically autocorrects to capitalized in my phone.

 

[Tsing Tao]

there are some really funny posts from folks in this thread. Here's one that made the spike in florida and the text from our resident griefer implying it would be the end of Florida (and would never be seen by other states again). All DeSantis' fault.

Hey, Florida maybe you should rethink this DeSantis thing , he might not know what he is doing. You probably would have been better off electing someone found drunk in a hotel room with a male prostitute and a bag of meth.

Another funny one:

The working theory on why there is such large spikes in hot weather States is because during significant portions of the day being outside is not an option due to heat. Because of the heat people are socializing indoors where there is air conditioning. The mitigating remedy for this would be indoor mask requirements.

However, before mask requirements could reduce the r factor, state like Florida, Texas and Arizona would need to go through something like a 6 week shutdown to control second and third residential transmissions.

Basically what I am saying is these states are fucked. You can’t stop the math on exponential spread and these states screwed up by opening up too soon. They’re going to have to either suffer prolonged serious public heath emergency or another massive economic slowdown. However, it is also important to understand a prolonged public health emergency will lead to a massive economic slowdown anyway.

The only thing Florida did by opening is get the spread over with. Was gonna happen anyway, and did. Locking up didn't save anyone, which I said back then:

You'll see the same thing happen to other states in a few months as wave 2 hits them. But, as in Florida, case counts will spike but deaths will remain mitigated. This is because the virus isn't as deadly as it was first thought to be when we were packing people into nursing home beds.

Hell, even you say it is different now that we "know how to handle it".

Remember when Florida "took the lead"? LOL

In Trump's must-win Florida, Covid-19 takes the lead
https://www.politico.com/states/flo...t-win-florida-covid-19-takes-the-lead-1295317

El Ocho telling us his state "fucking crushed it". How about now?

My state went into lockdown mid March and closed schools and had businesses close down and we went into many restrictions. Were pretty good for what we had to do. Phase 1 was delayed a few extra weeks and now we are mostly in Phase 2. We suffered but for the good of the area we did what we had to do:

My county has 1,000,000 people....very well populated for not being a city:

10,906 cases 383 confirmed deaths

We fucking crushed it.

My State has 1600 confirmed deaths...my state fucking crushed it (sad for those who did die).

Considering that 20.9% of the population of Florida is over 65 -- while only 15.2% of the U.S. population is over 65. Florida is a state that is very much at risk for many deaths once the current outbreaks inevitably start moving beyond the younger population

Which...didn't turn out the way you thought it would.

The funniest thing about THIS one is this quote:

“I would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 [new cases] a day if this does not turn around.”

That's the great thing about adaptive modeling. You can just adjust your faulty bullshit.

Let's take a look at what doctors are saying.....

'There's going to be a lot of death coming'
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-surge-doctor-deaths-193439614.html

The surge in coronavirus cases across the U.S. is worrying many health officials and state leaders, so much so that many governors are undoing some of their phased re-openings to contain further spread.

“For the winter, there’s concern,” Dr. Jennifer Ellice, an ER physician based out of the Los Angeles area, said on Yahoo Finance’s The First Trade (video above). “But I’m also just concerned for the next couple of weeks because we know that’s our lagging indicator. From what I’m seeing right now, I think that unfortunately there’s going to be a lot of death coming.”

Only two states — Connecticut and Rhode Island — that reported a decline in the number of coronavirus cases last week. And on Friday, the U.S. reported over 40,000 infections, the highest number of new cases in a day.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), spoke of the troubling trend during a Senate committee hearing on Tuesday, stating: “I would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 [new cases] a day if this does not turn around.”

(More at above url)

 

[Tsing Tao]

Continued!

DeSantis doubles down on "winning"

Florida governor "not going back" on reopening as COVID cases surge
https://news.yahoo.com/florida-governor-not-going-back-174223253.html

Turned out that this was a smart move. Stats got all better, and DeSantis pushed through. The rest of the country went into the tank.


Covertibility telling us businesses would start to close (they didn't)

I can see why you went solely with the death count given that the cases are skewing younger but,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1278755081148661760

businesses are not going to stay open with any new surges.

Wow, whocouldaknown? I did, back then.

People aren't going to wear masks (the majority) and people aren't going to shut down again. Not unless someone forces them under threat of arrest. So we're just going to have to plow through this. The spike up in cases is going to spread to other states, and eventually back into NY and NJ. The good thing about that is that when all is said and done, the mortality rate will be very, very low. It might not be at generic flu level low, but it'll be low.

Just checking - is our gubnor still winning?

Sure is!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1280430375962116103

And to try and further skew the age of cases, let's get the kids involved,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1280287443414106123

Thank GOD

I don't think the rate of change continues at that pace. Lets hope I am right.

and I was (this was about hospitalization).

 

[Tsing Tao]

DeSantis is the root of the problem. Until the DeSantis problem is addressed this easily preventable situation is going to continue to go downhill.

Oh yeah, continue to go downhill!

Only got to page 78. More tomorrow!

 

[El OchoCinco]

there are some really funny posts from folks in this thread. Here's one that made the spike in florida and the text from our resident griefer implying it would be the end of Florida (and would never be seen by other states again). All DeSantis' fault.



Another funny one:



The only thing Florida did by opening is get the spread over with. Was gonna happen anyway, and did. Locking up didn't save anyone, which I said back then:



Hell, even you say it is different now that we "know how to handle it".

Remember when Florida "took the lead"? LOL



El Ocho telling us his state "fucking crushed it". How about now?






Which...didn't turn out the way you thought it would.

The funniest thing about THIS one is this quote:

“I would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 [new cases] a day if this does not turn around.”

That's the great thing about adaptive modeling. You can just adjust your faulty bullshit.

i was talking about my county but I understand how you don't need to read the details when attacking someone else...

My county has 6% cases and .00084% death (about 1,000,000 people) My state has same statistics by the way. Why? because mask wearing and social distancing was followed pretty uniformly and still is with stores and restaurants opened for quite some time and crowd control and cleaning. Play healthy games, win healthy prizes

 

[Tsing Tao]

i was talking about my county but I understand how you don't need to read the details when attacking someone else...

My county has 6% cases and .00084% death (about 1,000,000 people) My state has same statistics by the way. Why? because mask wearing and social distancing was followed pretty uniformly and still is with stores and restaurants opened for quite some time and crowd control and cleaning. Play healthy games, win healthy prizes

Ok, but you were telling us about your state. If you meant county, that's just a mistype. Its not me attacking you. Its me pointing out yet another example of how just about everyone in this thread - with a few exceptions - thought that what was going on in Florida in July was evidence of how bad the governor was and that no other state would experience the same fucking thing when they opened up - despite me saying that very thing over and over.