Totally.
DeSantis for the win
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Totally.
Let's be clear about who is pushing a narrative here.
One of the wonderful things about living in the Research Triangle Park area is that it is easy to reach out to a community of experts in pharma, medicine, technology, research, and software at our local companies and universities.
I reached out to two leading PhD researchers involved in medical studies on why is there no research being performed comparing the long term effects of the seasonal flu to COVID-19.
Their response is that this type of research serves no purpose and it is unlikely that any researcher would get science-based money to undertake this type of comparative research. There is plenty of research simply within the singular confines of a disease that still needs to be undertaken and funded -- for example -- what are the long term health effects of COVID-19.
Furthermore anyone driving that there needs to be research comparing the health effects of two diseases such as the seasonal flu and COVID-19 --- is driving a political narrative rather than a scientific one. If this type of comparative research is performed it would only be funded by a political organization trying to drive a narrative.
You always do this.
You make a point, I counter the point. Instead of countering with more information or a different perspective, you try to go back to the same point that was refuted - as if ramming your head into the wall over and over again is going to make people see your point of view or something. You don't seem to understand the concept of debate. I'm not sure if it is a lack of intelligence or just stubborn personality. I think the latter, because you don't appear to be learning impaired. But who knows for sure?
I understand your very valid point of not comparing two types of viruses because it is simply not the low hanging fruit, or it doesn't offer enough "juice for the squeeze" or whatever. I get it. Its not worth it right now.
But what you keep missing here is that it is important to consider whether there is actually - truly - increased risk in longer term effects of COVID vs. other viruses out there we can catch every day. Because if you're going to have everyone running scared (which is your intent day in and day out around here) then you have to prove there is something to be scared about. You have to show that the risk of COVID is much greater in terms of lasting effects than other viruses, and you have to do it in the age groups of the people who you are trying to scare.
Otherwise you're just a COVID chicken little - which is what you've been all along.
Once again... you are pushing a political narrative - "COVID is no worse than the seasonal flu".
This is merely pushing a talking point from politicians such as Trump or DeSantis... .while attempting to push the fabricated narrative that people are "running scared" for no reason because all of those highly educated scientists are wrong.
No legitimate medical scientist is going to waste research time or money exploring something that is meaningless from a scientific perspective.
Let's listen to the "genius" who wants to bring people from very highly infected Brazil and highly infected U.K to the United States...
Gov. DeSantis wants Donald Trump to ‘relax’ certain COVID-19 international travel restrictions
Brazil and the United Kingdom were top of mind.
https://floridapolitics.com/archive...in-covid-19-international-travel-restrictions
Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday said he thinks President Donald Trump should “relax” certain travel restrictions that bar international travelers from entering the United States.
To date, Trump has issued several proclamations blocking visitors from more than two dozen countries including Brazil and the United Kingdom. While the restrictions were issued to slow the spread of COVID-19, DeSantis told reporters in Seminole County “we need to look where we are now.”
“The virus is endemic,” he said. “It’s not like if somebody comes, that’s going to be introducing something that’s not anywhere. You look: The Northeast had their cycle, the Sunbelt had a cycle, now the Midwest and the Great Plains is having a cycle. Europe, these places that didn’t really get it are now getting it.”
DeSantis, who has long advocated against further shutdowns, described travel restrictions as counter-productive. In lieu, he contended, rapid test kits could help ease travel restrictions and restore traveler confidence.
“I think it would be very good for this part of the state to be able to have that travel back,” DeSantis said. “I just don’t view that as something that is going to alter the trajectory of COVID here.”
Florida’s tourism industry and theme parks have recovered sluggishly since the onset of COVID-19 and in wake of government-mandated shutdowns. Fewer guests and less revenue have led Disney and Universal – two of Central Florida’s largest employers – to lay off thousands and reduce operational hours for guests.
DeSantis said he thinks more people are realizing that air travel and theme parks are safe despite the pandemic.
“When you’re talking about people staying at Disney and Universal, those places have taken a lot of precautions,” DeSantis added. “I think they’ve had a really good track record. When even the New York Times is acknowledging no outbreaks at Disney, you must know they’re doing something right.”
According to Visit Florida, Canada, the United Kingdom, Brazil and Colombia were the top four countries to travel to Florida. Together, more than 6.3 million visitors from those countries alone traveled to Florida.
Gov. DeSantis wants Donald Trump to ‘relax’ certain COVID-19 international travel restrictions
Brazil and the United Kingdom were top of mind.
https://floridapolitics.com/archive...in-covid-19-international-travel-restrictions
Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday said he thinks President Donald Trump should “relax” certain travel restrictions that bar international travelers from entering the United States.
To date, Trump has issued several proclamations blocking visitors from more than two dozen countries including Brazil and the United Kingdom. While the restrictions were issued to slow the spread of COVID-19, DeSantis told reporters in Seminole County “we need to look where we are now.”
“The virus is endemic,” he said. “It’s not like if somebody comes, that’s going to be introducing something that’s not anywhere. You look: The Northeast had their cycle, the Sunbelt had a cycle, now the Midwest and the Great Plains is having a cycle. Europe, these places that didn’t really get it are now getting it.”
DeSantis, who has long advocated against further shutdowns, described travel restrictions as counter-productive. In lieu, he contended, rapid test kits could help ease travel restrictions and restore traveler confidence.
“I think it would be very good for this part of the state to be able to have that travel back,” DeSantis said. “I just don’t view that as something that is going to alter the trajectory of COVID here.”
Florida’s tourism industry and theme parks have recovered sluggishly since the onset of COVID-19 and in wake of government-mandated shutdowns. Fewer guests and less revenue have led Disney and Universal – two of Central Florida’s largest employers – to lay off thousands and reduce operational hours for guests.
DeSantis said he thinks more people are realizing that air travel and theme parks are safe despite the pandemic.
“When you’re talking about people staying at Disney and Universal, those places have taken a lot of precautions,” DeSantis added. “I think they’ve had a really good track record. When even the New York Times is acknowledging no outbreaks at Disney, you must know they’re doing something right.”
According to Visit Florida, Canada, the United Kingdom, Brazil and Colombia were the top four countries to travel to Florida. Together, more than 6.3 million visitors from those countries alone traveled to Florida.
So you can't show any data to support your claim, yet I'm the one pushing a narrative.
You make a claim, I ask for the supporting data. You say there is no supporting data, and accuse me of having the narrative.
I'm totally willing to believe something if you show the data. You can't. You're not willing to believe anything except your side of the "story" and that's all this is. A Story.
Good. DeSantis is concerned about his state's economy, and rightly so. He's not concerned with your scare tactics. Thank God we have him as the governor and not some jackass like Newsom or Cuomo or that weirdo in Michigan.
Let's hide more data.... the state's positivity rate is not looking good -- overall testing count not looking good either -- so we will remove them from the Florida dashboard.
Florida changes the way it reports COVID-19 data to focus on daily numbers, not long term testing
DOH: Daily virus report will now ‘focus on the number of tests reported to the state by day’
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/l...focus-on-daily-numbers-not-long-term-testing/
The Florida Department of Health reported nearly 4,300 new coronavirus cases on Tuesday as state health officials announced changes to the information that appears on the COVID-19 daily reports and interactive dashboard.
For months since the state launched the dashboard tracking COVID-19 testing, cases, deaths and hospitalizations the state’s overall testing number-- for people who have been tested since March -- has been included in an overall positivity rate. On Tuesday, that number was not in the overall report or the interactive dashboard.
The DOH said it was “making adjustments to the COVID-19 dashboard and daily report to provide clear, accurate information for Florida families” and no longer including that higher overall testing count and positivity rate from that data, which was more than 6 million tested as of Monday.
What is available is the daily positivity rate -- for people who tested positive for the first time -- compared to the tests reported to the state within the last 24 hours.
“Moving forward, the daily report will focus on the number of tests reported to the state by day and the corresponding positivity rate by day. The previously reported cumulative number did not reflect the current status of the pandemic in Florida. This change is in line with the CDC recommendation that calculation of percent positivity [is] applied consistently and with clear communication, will allow public health officials to follow magnitude and trends effectively, and the trends will be useful for local public health decision making,” the DOH said in a statement.
The DOH has reported daily positivity rates and testing numbers along with the overall total since the pandemic arrived but now it will only include the daily numbers for the past 14 days.
“Testing data is still being released for the past 14 days,” a spokesperson for the Florida Division of Emergency Management said when asked for clarification about the changes. “The only change is that cumulative testing data will no longer be displayed (cumulative data is data that is combined daily since March).”
On Tuesday, the state reported results from 68,332 people tested for the virus, nearly 4,300 of those who tested positive.
The percent of positive results ranged from 4.52% to 5.11% during the past seven days and was 6.31% for tests reported Tuesday.
According to Monday’s report, nearly 6 million people have been tested in Florida for the virus but now those overall numbers have disappeared from the state dashboard, including the overall the positivity rate around 13%.
Florida changes the way it reports COVID-19 data to focus on daily numbers, not long term testing
DOH: Daily virus report will now ‘focus on the number of tests reported to the state by day’
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/l...focus-on-daily-numbers-not-long-term-testing/
The Florida Department of Health reported nearly 4,300 new coronavirus cases on Tuesday as state health officials announced changes to the information that appears on the COVID-19 daily reports and interactive dashboard.
For months since the state launched the dashboard tracking COVID-19 testing, cases, deaths and hospitalizations the state’s overall testing number-- for people who have been tested since March -- has been included in an overall positivity rate. On Tuesday, that number was not in the overall report or the interactive dashboard.
The DOH said it was “making adjustments to the COVID-19 dashboard and daily report to provide clear, accurate information for Florida families” and no longer including that higher overall testing count and positivity rate from that data, which was more than 6 million tested as of Monday.
What is available is the daily positivity rate -- for people who tested positive for the first time -- compared to the tests reported to the state within the last 24 hours.
“Moving forward, the daily report will focus on the number of tests reported to the state by day and the corresponding positivity rate by day. The previously reported cumulative number did not reflect the current status of the pandemic in Florida. This change is in line with the CDC recommendation that calculation of percent positivity [is] applied consistently and with clear communication, will allow public health officials to follow magnitude and trends effectively, and the trends will be useful for local public health decision making,” the DOH said in a statement.
The DOH has reported daily positivity rates and testing numbers along with the overall total since the pandemic arrived but now it will only include the daily numbers for the past 14 days.
“Testing data is still being released for the past 14 days,” a spokesperson for the Florida Division of Emergency Management said when asked for clarification about the changes. “The only change is that cumulative testing data will no longer be displayed (cumulative data is data that is combined daily since March).”
On Tuesday, the state reported results from 68,332 people tested for the virus, nearly 4,300 of those who tested positive.
The percent of positive results ranged from 4.52% to 5.11% during the past seven days and was 6.31% for tests reported Tuesday.
According to Monday’s report, nearly 6 million people have been tested in Florida for the virus but now those overall numbers have disappeared from the state dashboard, including the overall the positivity rate around 13%.