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Tsing Tao said:
I don't think the CDC report on excess deaths details the deaths that wouldn't have occurred if a lockdown did not exist. I'm not sure that's how the report is to be used.

But right on cue, you show up to discredit the article.
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Here is the actual CDC report - go read it for yourself.
But on the other hand why would you read the information from it's original public health agency source? Don't you believe in SCIENCE?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
 
gwb-trading said:
Here is the actual CDC report - go read it for yourself.
But on the other hand why would you read the information from it's original public health agency source? Don't you believe in SCIENCE?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
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You really are a complete and total moron of the highest order. I speak multiple languages and I cannot think of an insult in any of them that would properly characterize the level of abject stupidity and ignorance you represent.

This is a post, made by me, back on July 10. The first of several, pointing out the CDC excess death site you are linking to including the charts. So yeah, I'm very familiar with the site.

In fact, in the very next post, you were asking me for the source on it. This is the problem with spewing so much bullshit, you forget that you had the conversation in the first place. It is also the benefit of being honest (for me), you can easily recall a consistent message the whole time.

So. I've established I know the site. And I know what it's for. So lets get back to the question you just dodged and avoided answering.

How does the CDC excess death site calculate deaths that could have been avoided if lockdowns were never put in place? Where is this specific information in any of the charts?
 
Tsing Tao said:
You really are a complete and total moron of the highest order. I speak multiple languages and I cannot think of an insult in any of them that would properly characterize the level of abject stupidity and ignorance you represent.

This is a post, made by me, back on July 10. The first of several, pointing out the CDC excess death site you are linking to including the charts. So yeah, I'm very familiar with the site.

In fact, in the very next post, you were asking me for the source on it. This is the problem with spewing so much bullshit, you forget that you had the conversation in the first place. It is also the benefit of being honest (for me), you can easily recall a consistent message the whole time.

So. I've established I know the site. And I know what it's for. So lets get back to the question you just dodged and avoided answering.

How does the CDC excess death site calculate deaths that could have been avoided if lockdowns were never put in place? Where is this specific information in any of the charts?
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Can't defend your premise so you just swing to insulting people again, eh?

"You really are a complete and total moron of the highest order. I speak multiple languages and I cannot think of an insult in any of them that would properly characterize the level of abject stupidity and ignorance you represent."

Go read the scientific data from the CDC and educate yourself.
 
gwb-trading said:
Can't defend your premise so you just swing to insulting people again, eh?

"You really are a complete and total moron of the highest order. I speak multiple languages and I cannot think of an insult in any of them that would properly characterize the level of abject stupidity and ignorance you represent."

Go read the scientific data from the CDC and educate yourself.
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Not only did I defend myself, but I offered proof. Proof that I knew the site, had spoken to it months ago when you didn't know about it, and then - yes, insulted your stupidity which you continue to put on full display for everyone.

And you still ignored my question on whether the CDC can show data for people who wouldn't have died without lockdowns. You ignore it because you know the CDC doesn't show this data, and that is what you claimed would be there when Wallet and Banjo discussed it.

Once again, you got yourself into something you couldn't defend and got completely owned.

One would think you were learn, but not you.
 
Tsing Tao said:
Not only did I defend myself, but I offered proof. Proof that I knew the site, had spoken to it months ago when you didn't know about it, and then - yes, insulted your stupidity which you continue to put on full display for everyone.

And you still ignored my question on whether the CDC can show data for people who wouldn't have died without lockdowns. You ignore it because you know the CDC doesn't show this data, and that is what you claimed would be there when Wallet and Banjo discussed it.

Once again, you got yourself into something you couldn't defend and got completely owned.

One would think you were learn, but not you.
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Apparently you don't read the data or educate yourself fully. I would urge you to take a look at the details.

The reality is the the CDC report shows that the U.S. has endured 300K excess deaths. Clearly 66% of the deaths can be attributed to COVID. The causes of the other deaths are unknown - they can be due to other causes or COVID. The report is limited in 5 ways - one of them being the accounting and attribution of 34% of the deaths - the reality is that some are likely from COVID and some from other causes. However claiming that all 100K of this non-attributed excessive death total is due to other causes from COVID lockdowns, etc. -- is simply not a conclusion that can be reasonably drawn from the CDC report.

Excess Deaths Show COVID-19 Deaths May Be Undercounted, CDC Says
https://www.gpb.org/news/2020/10/20/excess-deaths-show-covid-19-deaths-may-be-undercounted-cdc-says
 
From the CDC atricle.

Additionally, deaths from all causes excluding COVID-19 were also estimated. Comparing these two sets of estimates — excess deaths with and without COVID-19 — can provide insight about how many excess deaths are identified as due to COVID-19, and how many excess deaths are reported as due to other causes of death. These deaths could represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths, or potentially could be indirectly related to the COVID-19 pandemic (e.g., deaths from other causes occurring in the context of health care shortages or overburdened health care systems).
gwb-trading said:
Apparently you don't read the data or educate yourself fully. I would urge you to take a look at the details.

The reality is the the CDC report shows that the U.S. has endured 300K excess deaths. Clearly 66% of the deaths can be attributed to COVID. The causes of the other deaths are unknown - they can be due to other causes or COVID. The report is limited in 5 ways - one of them being the accounting and attribution of 34% of the deaths - the reality is that some are likely from COVID and some from other causes. However claiming that all 100K of this non-attributed excessive death total is due to other causes from COVID lockdowns, etc. -- is simply not a conclusion that can be reasonably drawn from the CDC report.

Excess Deaths Show COVID-19 Deaths May Be Undercounted, CDC Says
https://www.gpb.org/news/2020/10/20/excess-deaths-show-covid-19-deaths-may-be-undercounted-cdc-says
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Your assumption that any of the 100k are due directly to Covid is just that, an assumption. The deaths are on top of known cases and represent deaths associated with the pandemic, people who lacked proper health care, missed appointments, etc. anything that can be attributed to cause and effect, namely attributed to the lockdowns due to covid but not from covid.

In that there’s deaths from increased alcoholism, drugs etc.
 
gwb-trading said:
Apparently you don't read the data or educate yourself fully. I would urge you to take a look at the details.

The reality is the the CDC report shows that the U.S. has endured 300K excess deaths. Clearly 66% of the deaths can be attributed to COVID. The causes of the other deaths are unknown - they can be due to other causes or COVID. The report is limited in 5 ways - one of them being the accounting and attribution of 34% of the deaths - the reality is that some are likely from COVID and some from other causes. However claiming that all 100K of this non-attributed excessive death total is due to other causes from COVID lockdowns, etc. -- is simply not a conclusion that can be reasonably drawn from the CDC report.

Excess Deaths Show COVID-19 Deaths May Be Undercounted, CDC Says
https://www.gpb.org/news/2020/10/20/excess-deaths-show-covid-19-deaths-may-be-undercounted-cdc-says
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I swear, this is like trying to have a conversation with a piece of celery or an aardvark.

Banjo posts an article from ZH. The article makes an assumption that you can get to the total number of excess deaths from other causes outside of COVID by subtracting the total COVID deaths from the total excess deaths, and that - more importantly - these deaths are due to COVID lockdowns, etc.

Instead of reading the article to understand what evidence the article is suggesting (which admits that it is a theory, but the evidence - because of the demographic in which those deaths occur - is a pretty good theory) you just leap before you look and give us the excess deaths site - which is the site already referenced in the article and the one we already know about.

You provide nothing.

I ask you if the site details deaths that are related to lockdowns (it doesn't) and you continue to deflect, saying "go read the site" despite the very obvious fact that I've not only read the site, but used it as a source multiple times. The article even pointed to the site and used it as a source.

Your argument should have been: Please show me where the leap from theory to fact occurs in your article. Because the article can't do it.

But because, like always on this topic, you have so much peripheral knowledge but no true depth on so many aspects, you're always caught flat footed.

Now go ahead, go tell me to read the site again. That helps the discussion a lot.
 
Many of us are losing multiple parents and aunts and uncles.

When we received condolences... many of our friends said they had lost family members too.
People in the 80s... are dying like crazy right now. Seems like far more than usual... Covid and non Covid.
 
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