DeSantis for the win

Florida needs herd immunity from Trump-influenced Gov. DeSantis
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinio...0201020-divw6pv7bjfrfg32skrxbgzjhe-story.html

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The director of the National Institutes of Health calls it “dangerous” and “scientifically and ethically problematic.”

A former Harvard Medical School professor and pioneering HIV/AIDS researcher calls it “mass murder.”

Yet Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis embraces it.

We’re talking about the idea of letting the coronavirus spread rapidly among supposedly less vulnerable people while isolating the most vulnerable. In theory, once enough people have been infected, even those who haven’t contracted the disease will be protected.

It’s called herd immunity. In recent weeks, the governor has hosted discussions with contrarian scientists and doctors who oppose lockdowns, mask-wearing and social distancing. Those contrarians joined others this month to support the Great Barrington Declaration. It advocates a “focused protection” response to the virus.

President Trump is a fan. During a town hall in Pennsylvania, Trump said, “You’ll develop herd — like a herd mentality. It’s going to be — it’s going to be herd developed — and that’s going to happen.”

Because credible public health experts reject “focused protection,” states have shown little interest. As the Washington Post reported, however, Florida is the exception.

How predictable. Whatever Trump believes about the virus, no matter how dubious the source, DeSantis will get on board.

“Focused prevention” aligns with Trump’s wish to open as much of the economy as possible. Last month, DeSantis moved Florida into Phase 3 reopening without giving counties any notice.

DeSantis has long made a Trump victory in Florida more of a priority than Florida’s public health. After Dr. Scott Atlas – a neuroradiologist, not an epidemiologist – joined the White House Coronavirus Task Force, DeSantis hosted him in Florida.

Atlas supports herd immunity. According to news reports, the former Fox News commentator has taken over the task force. He has quashed efforts to expand virus testing. Against all evidence, he believes that widespread use of masks does not restrict transmission of the virus.

More ominously, Atlas reinforces Trump’s mistaken opinion that the country is “rounding the turn” on the virus, as Trump told a rally in Fort Myers over the weekend. Trump has used that phrase for seven weeks, as case numbers in some states are at record levels.

Florida is not setting records, but case numbers from the last two weeks were the highest in a month. The state reported 54 COVID-19-related deaths on Monday, which was almost three times the number for New York. On Tuesday, the state reported 86 deaths.

DeSantis has his fans. An op-ed from one of the libertarian think tanks that favor herd immunity praised the governor’s stepped-up reopening: “Under the influence of some courageous and brilliant intellectuals with a conscience, Florida has joined South Dakota and Indiana in the land of the living.”

Consider that South Dakota comparison. Gov. Kristi Roem, a Republican, welcomed about 500,000 bikers to an annual August rally in the town of Sturgis. New reporting suggests that the rally contributed to a spike in cases throughout the Upper Midwest.

DeSantis would understand. By refusing to close the state’s beaches in March, the governor turned Spring Break into a superspreader event. Many universities rewrote this year’s calendars to eliminate Spring Break.

With vaccines still in development, herd immunity can tempt people who want children back in school and places of worship open. But as 80 scientists stated in response to the Great Barrington Declaration, it’s “a dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence” that critics say could cause one million or more preventable deaths in the U.S.

Even COVID-19 survivors may suffer lifelong damage. “Focused prevention” also wrongly assumes that we could isolate all of the vulnerable elderly. Researchers also don’t know how long immunity lasts.

Herd immunity fans point to Sweden, which rejected lockdowns and kept schools open. But Sweden’s COVID-19 death rate is higher than those in neighboring Denmark and Norway and the economy performed worse.

Perhaps DeSantis, father of three small children, will volunteer for a herd immunity experiment. If not, he should stop embracing the herd mentality from the White House.

So much conjecture in here. "Science". Yeah.

But hey, that's what editorials are about. Narratives.
 
You can easily go to the DeSantis Florida COVID dashboard and take a look at "Resident Deaths by Date of Death" chart and see that the number is already over 1500 for the past 30 days. And the past 3 weeks have not even been fully recorded yet. Even your governor's own COVID site shows that 2000 deaths over 20 days is likely when all the deaths by date are uploaded to the site -- which will not happen until three weeks from now due to the "significant delays" in recording deaths that the site warns you about.

*game show voice*

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to our 3 week ending analysis on GWB's claim on how "2000 deaths over 20 days is likely once all deaths are uploaded to the site - which won't happen until three weeks from now" made more than three weeks ago on September 28.

Remember, the period in question is from September 28 (when GWB felt he had to insert himself to defend UsualName's original claim here that stated over 2000 people died in the last three weeks in the state of Florida, and after it was pointed out these were reported deaths, not date of death).

So how did GWB do in his latest forecast claim?? Lets do the math, shall we?

Source data for deaths in Florida by Date of Death, provided by the Florida Department of Health.

The total deaths during the 30 day period from 9/8 to 9/28 (the date of the claim)....drum roll...pahhleaasee....

*drum roll*

1179


*crowd groans* Oooohh...so sorry, GWB. But hey, you're only off by 41% or so. Although, by Price is Right rules, you'd have gone over. What do we have for him, Johnny??

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*game show voice*

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to our 3 week ending analysis on GWB's claim on how "2000 deaths over 20 days is likely once all deaths are uploaded to the site - which won't happen until three weeks from now" made more than three weeks ago on September 28.

Remember, the period in question is from September 28 (when GWB felt he had to insert himself to defend UsualName's original claim here that stated over 2000 people died in the last three weeks in the state of Florida, and after it was pointed out these were reported deaths, not date of death).

So how did GWB do in his latest forecast claim?? Lets do the math, shall we?

Source data for deaths in Florida by Date of Death, provided by the Florida Department of Health.

The total deaths during the 30 day period from 9/8 to 9/28 (the date of the claim)....drum roll...pahhleaasee....

*drum roll*

1179


*crowd groans* Oooohh...so sorry, GWB. But hey, you're only off by 41% or so. Although, by Price is Right rules, you'd have gone over. What do we have for him, Johnny??

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Since Florida has stated it takes 6 to 8 weeks to update the death numbers by date.... you need to wait to the third week of November.

By the way - "30 day period from 9/8 to 9/28" -- is a 21 day period not a 30 day period. You need to work on your calculations and date ranges.
 
Since Florida has stated it takes 6 to 8 weeks to update the death numbers by date.... you need to wait to the third week of November.

By the way - "30 day period from 9/8 to 9/28" -- is a 21 day period not a 30 day period. You need to work on your calculations and date ranges.

Ah, so we're moving the goal posts again! How convenient for you!

Lets wait until next year! That should help you.

You said:

YAnd the past 3 weeks have not even been fully recorded yet. Even your governor's own COVID site shows that 2000 deaths over 20 days is likely when all the deaths by date are uploaded to the site -- which will not happen until three weeks from now due to the "significant delays" in recording deaths that the site warns you about.

Three weeks. And when your prognostication blows up in your face, you move to a month. Hahahaa.....what a clown.
 
Ah, so we're moving the goal posts again! How convenient for you!

Lets wait until next year! That should help you.

You said:



Three weeks. And when your prognostication blows up in your face, you move to a month. Hahahaa.....what a clown.

Why don't you read all the other posts from me about Florida's delayed reporting.... and properly quote them.

You really need to ask your state why they are unable to report and post COVID deaths in a reasonable period of time -- let's say two weeks --- but it takes them more than six weeks.
 
Why don't you read all the other posts from me about Florida's delayed reporting.... and properly quote them.

What do those have to do with your original claim of three weeks? Are you saying you were mistaken and shouldn't have said 3 weeks?

Or are you saying you never said three weeks and that quote was from someone hacking your account?
 
What do those have to do with your original claim of three weeks? Are you saying you were mistaken and shouldn't have said 3 weeks?

Or are you saying you never said three weeks and that quote was from someone hacking your account?

Go read all of the posts in context --- then get back to me.
 
Let's go back to what I stated on October 13th and in previous posts.

"Since Florida is now taking 6 to 8 weeks to properly allocate reported deaths to deaths by date -- it will not be into November before we know the correct dates by death for September."

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/desantis-for-the-win.345108/page-176#post-5225249

So was your statement on September 28 where you said it was 3 weeks incorrect back then? Or did you adjust your time line to 6 to 8 weeks after you realized your previous prediction was in jeopardy?

Don't dodge, GWB. Just answer the question. All you're doing is making this more difficult for yourself.

Be a man and own up.
 
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