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Florida schools defy DeSantis order to keep virus stats under wraps

https://www.politico.com/states/flo...order-to-keep-virus-stats-under-wraps-1316272

Florida school districts are defying Gov. Ron DeSantis and publicly reporting new Covid-19 cases among students and staff that the state government considers confidential.

The state Department of Health has tried to directly quash reporting on the virus in some instances, after DeSantis said K-12 testing data “needs to be put in the right context.”

With no statewide standard, local leaders are left to decide on their own how and when to report Covid-19 cases in their districts. The result is a mix of differing daily and weekly reports and digital dashboards at school districts across Florida, with some counties not reporting any data to the general public.

In Bay County, for instance, school officials are aiming to produce three coronavirus reports a week. The district initially held off reporting anything to parents and the community as it watched the Department of Health’s response to counties that had built online dashboards to track the virus.

“We don’t want to get into any trouble, but we think transparency is the best way to go,” Bay County Superintendent Bill Husfelt said in an interview.

In a message to his school district, Husfelt noted that the Department of Health had asked some districts to take down their Covid-19 dashboards. In northeast Florida,Flagler County said the state forbid its local health department to release coronavirus data tied to schools. The DeSantis administration delivered a similar message to other counties, leading the state’s largest teachers union to blast the Republican governor in ads airing in Orlando and Tampa.

The state and local showdown over coronavirus messaging is the latest example of how state health officials have aided in the Republican governor’s plan to keep schools open during the pandemic. The state health department was “notably absent” when local school boards sought advice for closing classrooms during the pandemic, essentially forcing them to reopen, a circuit court judge wrote in an Aug. 24 ruling.

DeSantis and the Florida Education Association, a teachers union, have tangled in court over the state’s hardline school reopening policy. About 1.6 million students have returned to school for in person classes, while some 1.4 million students are beginning the year online, according to the state.

Flagler Health Department spokesperson Gretchen Smith declined to comment on the report it had been blocked from releasing information on new cases. Smith said she was contacted by Department of Health attorneys afterthe Flagler Live, a local news source,publishedits report on Friday and was instructed not to speak on the subject.

Flagler will begin releasing weekly data on Covid-19 cases in schools, Smith said.

Schools in Florida are using a variety of ways to share information about local Covid-19 cases and contract tracing, sending message blasts and mass calls to parents. But in many cases, school districts are not releasing the data to the broader public.

The Department of Health provides school officials with Information on positive cases, but that data is considered confidential, said Alberto Moscoso, the agency’s director of communications.

“Schools, superintendents or school districts are advised that the Department has provided confidential information only to them under the statute and rule,” Moscoso wrote, pointing to state law on epidemiological reports and research.

Florida has no coronavirus report dedicated solely to schools, but the Department of Health inadvertently released a draft report last month that was quickly recalled. A schools Covid-19 report that Florida Surgeon General Scott Rivkees promised on Aug. 31 has yet to be published.

When asked about the report, DeSantis said the state should release more comprehensive data from schools, including whether cases stemmed from symptomatic or asymptomatic carriers. Case data collected in the state’s daily Covid-19 reports are broken down by age, the Republican governor said.

“These cases get spun as if they’re clinically significant,” DeSantis said at an Aug. 31 education event. “Could you imagine if we carpet-bombed every school, K through12, for flu tests?”

Since Aug. 17, when many schools resumed in-person classes, those daily virus reports showed a nearly 17 percent jump in cases among children aged 5 through 14, and a 14 percent increase for children 4 and younger.

Since mid-August, there have been 3,877 new cases among children ages 5 through 14, for a total of 23,033 cases reported Wednesday by the Department of Health. The state has reported 11,025 cases in children 4 and younger, an increase of 1,382 since Aug. 17.

Hospitalizations rose slightly in both categories. For the 5- to 14-year-old age group, there have been 34 new hospitalizations, for a total of 230 during the pandemic. Among younger children, an additional 34 hospitalizations were reported, for a total of 254, according to the Department of Health.

The state data doesn’t track school quarantines or closures connected to the virus. School districts that do report quarantines show hundreds of studentshave been sent home for 14 days due to possibly being exposed to Covid-19.

Pasco County has reported 36 student Covid-19 cases and 11 staff cases, which have sent 797 students and 77 employees into quarantine since the start of the school year.

In St. Johns County, 156 students tied to 12 positive coronavirus cases entered quarantine between Aug. 30 and Sept. 4.

School case data should be released, said Pamela Marsh, president of Florida's First Amendment Foundation.

The statute referenced by the Department of Health has nothing to do with releasing general public health data, Marsh said in an email. The agency is using the rule to confuse school leadership and withhold critical information, she said.

“This is just another political maneuver to make the situation seem better than it is,” Marsh wrote. “Transparency is the only way our leaders will survive this with any trust from the public at all.”

You've shrieked about this before, and you did so in the other school thread. We know. We get it.

I'm fine with it. When the media can't be trusted to tell a fair story, the media can't be trusted with the data. I'm just fine with this as there is no risk to the children.
 
You've shrieked about this before, and you did so in the other school thread. We know. We get it.

I'm fine with it. When the media can't be trusted to tell a fair story, the media can't be trusted with the data. I'm just fine with this as there is no risk to the children.

So basically you have moved from a position that "DeSantis is not hiding data" to the "media can't be trusted with data so it's fine for DeSantis to hide it".

So it appears that you support the government keeping citizens in the dark about everything -- pretty much a total media blackout. Just like dictatorships do.

I expect you would support the government claiming that COVID does not exist and everyone should go about what they were doing.

But it would get tough when people started asking, "Junior came home sick from school three weeks ago and now grandma died. What's going on?"
 
So basically you have moved from a position that "DeSantis is not hiding data" to the "media can't be trusted with data so it's fine for DeSantis to hide it".

So it appears that you support the government keeping citizens in the dark about everything -- pretty much a total media blackout. Just like dictatorships do.

I expect you would support the government claiming that COVID does not exist and everyone should go about what they were doing.

But it would get tough when people started asking, "Junior came home sick from school three weeks ago and now grandma died. What's going on?"

Did you ever see the Chris Rock comedy skit about OJ Simpson? One of the funniest I think I have ever seen. Talks about OJ killing Nicole and how she was asking him for $4000 a month for food and $25000 in alimony, and she's driving around in a car he bought in a house he's still paying the mortgage on and he hadn't scored a touch down in 25 years. He ends the skit with "I'm not saying he should have killed her....but I understand."

First, you've never proven anything any time I've asked you to in the past when you claimed DeSantis was manipulating data intentionally or committing fraud. You screeched it over and over and I finally lost interest, because all you would do is repeat the same shit without any real proof other than redirection and obfuscation with "then tell me why every other state" etc. but never actually showing me the smoking gun. So I don't really care to go down that road for the 500th time with you just to find the same BS stories. I just don't have the time to waste on your crap.

But even if he were intentionally hiding data like you claim and it was as you say it was, I'd still go "I'm not saying he should be hiding the data....but I understand."

The lot of you Chicken Littles are throwing so much panic out there that is unnecessary and, frankly, damaging just because you're insane that I can see why someone might go "you know, there's no risk to children here, so lets just try to keep the unreasonable panic to a minimum."
 
Did you ever see the Chris Rock comedy skit about OJ Simpson? One of the funniest I think I have ever seen. Talks about OJ killing Nicole and how she was asking him for $4000 a month for food and $25000 in alimony, and she's driving around in a car he bought in a house he's still paying the mortgage on and he hadn't scored a touch down in 25 years. He ends the skit with "I'm not saying he should have killed her....but I understand."

First, you've never proven anything any time I've asked you to in the past when you claimed DeSantis was manipulating data intentionally or committing fraud. You screeched it over and over and I finally lost interest, because all you would do is repeat the same shit without any real proof other than redirection and obfuscation with "then tell me why every other state" etc. but never actually showing me the smoking gun. So I don't really care to go down that road for the 500th time with you just to find the same BS stories. I just don't have the time to waste on your crap.

But even if he were intentionally hiding data like you claim and it was as you say it was, I'd still go "I'm not saying he should be hiding the data....but I understand."

The lot of you Chicken Littles are throwing so much panic out there that is unnecessary and, frankly, damaging just because you're insane that I can see why someone might go "you know, there's no risk to children here, so lets just try to keep the unreasonable panic to a minimum."
771 total Wuhan-19 deaths in Florida over the last 7 days. Wasn't that supposed to be a little over what each day would bring according to the doomers?
 
Did you ever see the Chris Rock comedy skit about OJ Simpson? One of the funniest I think I have ever seen. Talks about OJ killing Nicole and how she was asking him for $4000 a month for food and $25000 in alimony, and she's driving around in a car he bought in a house he's still paying the mortgage on and he hadn't scored a touch down in 25 years. He ends the skit with "I'm not saying he should have killed her....but I understand."

First, you've never proven anything any time I've asked you to in the past when you claimed DeSantis was manipulating data intentionally or committing fraud. You screeched it over and over and I finally lost interest, because all you would do is repeat the same shit without any real proof other than redirection and obfuscation with "then tell me why every other state" etc. but never actually showing me the smoking gun. So I don't really care to go down that road for the 500th time with you just to find the same BS stories. I just don't have the time to waste on your crap.

But even if he were intentionally hiding data like you claim and it was as you say it was, I'd still go "I'm not saying he should be hiding the data....but I understand."

The lot of you Chicken Littles are throwing so much panic out there that is unnecessary and, frankly, damaging just because you're insane that I can see why someone might go "you know, there's no risk to children here, so lets just try to keep the unreasonable panic to a minimum."

Hiding data increases panic. This is one of the very basic tenets why government should be transparent with public health data.

At this point it is obvious that the DeSantis adminstration hiding data. Your hollow claims that he is not hiding data have been exposed -- from the very fact that DeSantis got up and stated "I am not allowing schools to provide COVID data". There is your smoking gun. any reasonable person can no longer doubt that DeSantis is deliberately hiding data.

Why don't you go ask the families of the children who died of COVID in Florida if there is "no risk to children".

A 6-year-old girl is now the youngest person to die of COVID-19 in Florida
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-6-year-old-girl-youngest-death/
 
Hiding data increases panic. This is one of the very basic tenets why government should be transparent with public health data.

At this point it is obvious that the DeSantis adminstration hiding data. Your hollow claims that he is not hiding data have been exposed -- from the very fact that DeSantis got up and stated "I am not allowing schools to provide COVID data". There is your smoking gun. any reasonable person can no longer doubt that DeSantis is deliberately hiding data.

Why don't you go ask the families of the children who died of COVID in Florida if there is "no risk to children".

A 6-year-old girl is now the youngest person to die of COVID-19 in Florida
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-6-year-old-girl-youngest-death/
I've skipped past your "hiding data" postings since the beginning. I recognized this theory as bogus the moment I saw the first posting.
 
I've skimmed past your "hiding data" postings since the beginning. I recognized this theory as bogus the moment I saw the first posting.

Being the only state in the U.S. where the governor has demanded schools systems don't release COVID data --- is the very definition of "hiding data".
 
Hiding data increases panic. This is one of the very basic tenets why government should be transparent with public health data.

At this point it is obvious that the DeSantis adminstration hiding data. Your hollow claims that he is not hiding data have been exposed -- from the very fact that DeSantis got up and stated "I am not allowing schools to provide COVID data". There is your smoking gun. any reasonable person can no longer doubt that DeSantis is deliberately hiding data.

How does hiding data increase panic? If people aren't being told that schools are dangerous, that increases panic?

Out of sight, out of mind. Please note I am not supporting the decision to hide data (assuming this is true).



Why don't you go ask the families of the children who died of COVID in Florida if there is "no risk to children".

A 6-year-old girl is now the youngest person to die of COVID-19 in Florida
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-6-year-old-girl-youngest-death/

So one child - who almost certainly had immuno compromised co-morbidity - died of COVID. Did this child die from going to school, GWB? Please post the source - because if all you have is that a 6 year old died of COVID, then I call bullshit - as usual with your narratives. Like the 9 year old in St. Pete that died, but when you research you find the 9 year old had an organ transplant, was on anti-rejection drugs that compromised the immunity system, and was isolated and not at school. Probably just like this.

Show me the background on the child getting sick from going to school, gwb.
 
I've skipped past your "hiding data" postings since the beginning. I recognized this theory as bogus the moment I saw the first posting.

When it comes to COVID, if you bet money that GWB is full of shit, I wouldn't be surprised if you'll win more than 50% of the time.
 
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