Absolutes again... what if say bird flu goes airborne with a 60% death rate, still no lockdown?
DeSantis for the win
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Please ask intelligent questions. Thank you in advance.
Documented facts are hard to deal with, eh? I have not seen you refute any of the facts presented about COVID-19 in Florida and DeSantis' poor response to it.
Now we have COVID-19 patients in Florida being rejected by hospitals in Florida and dying...
Florida Coronavirus Patient Dies After Two Hospitals Turn Her Away
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-coronavirus-patient-dies-after-two-hospitals-turn-her-away-1516509
Here's the problem, gwb, and why I essentially ignore you now. And why I'm going to continue to piss over your attempts to engage. I tried to honestly show you data and reasons. I tried to answer your questions over and over and over again. You did not do the same to me and continued to ask the same thing over and over again, claiming I had not answered your questions instead of actually trying to address my answers you didn't like. So it became too exhausting to deal with you. So I'm not going to make that mistake with you again. There is nothing beneficial to having a conversation with you because you're not open to consideration of ANYTHING but what you have accepted to be doctrine in your zealotry. Until that changes, there's no point in engaging you.
Fuck. Off. Next time I block you and you can spend your days logging out and in to comment in my threads.
And this is exactly what I'm talking about. Did you even read the article? She was discharged from the hospital. They won't discuss the case, but it was not from a lack of beds and she wasn't "rejected". If anything, there might be a case of malpractice
But the health care system's chief medical officer, Dr. Stanley Marks, issued a statement noting: "As a public healthcare system, Memorial does not, or have we ever, rejected a patient due to lack of beds. And, we do not anticipate doing so, despite the surge of COVID-19 positive cases.
"In general, admission to the hospital is a physician-driven decision based on many factors, including vitals and clinical presentation at the time patients visit the emergency room," the statement said.
Across Florida, around 20 percent of novel coronavirus patients are reported to visit emergency rooms, while around 11 percent of COVID-19 patients get admitted to hospitals, according to the statement.
Memorial Healthcare System was reported to be "actively extending capacity, in a safe, effective manner to respond to this pandemic," the statement noted.
"In general, admission to the hospital is a physician-driven decision based on many factors, including vitals and clinical presentation at the time patients visit the emergency room," the statement said.
Across Florida, around 20 percent of novel coronavirus patients are reported to visit emergency rooms, while around 11 percent of COVID-19 patients get admitted to hospitals, according to the statement.
Memorial Healthcare System was reported to be "actively extending capacity, in a safe, effective manner to respond to this pandemic," the statement noted.
I am just trying to figure out what it would take, what death rate is needed before a lockdown is warranted in your mind?
Everything was shutdown except essential services and doctors are considered essential.
Doctors were shut down.
Many doctors closed up shop. Offices. This isn't something I'm making up. Do the research if you don't believe me. Some did "teledoc" working. Some, like dermatologists, dentists, etc...just closed. I'm not saying that is what happened with your doctor. I'm just suggesting an alternative to the generally accepted "all doctors went to war and were overwhelmed" conversation. There is usually more to the story than the headline.
YES!
This is the $million question exactly.
So let me ask you, KJ - you and I seem to have some good chats. Let's go down this line of questioning for a second, I promise there is no "gotcha" in my intent.
Is closing down the economy to prevent one - just one - person's death a rational decision?
Just a yes or no, please.
Let's read the start of the article rather than the hospitals trying to defend their actions.
Florida Coronavirus Patient Dies After Two Hospitals Turn Her Away
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-coronavirus-patient-dies-after-two-hospitals-turn-her-away-1516509
Coronavirus cases in Florida have surged to nearly 223,800, with 3,889 deaths. The latest death toll includes a 70-year-old woman who died days after allegedly being turned away from two Florida hospitals, including Broward County's Memorial Hospital Pembroke of the Memorial Healthcare System.
Hortencia Laurens, a diabetic who also had high blood pressure, was admitted to Memorial Hospital Pembroke on Thursday evening before she was discharged by a doctor around 4 a.m. local time, according to Diego Fereira, Laurens' grandson, Florida's WPLG reported.
The family was not notified that Laurens had been sent away. She was reportedly forced to wait on a bench outside the hospital until about 6 a.m. local time, according to Fereira, who believes more could have been done by the hospital to save her life.
Laurens was reported to have had a fever and experienced nausea and struggled to breathe by Monday when she died. Fereira noted Laurens told his mother that she was scared.
"My grandmother could have been one of those people who walked out of the hospital, without an issue, feeling better," Fereira told WPLG. "But she was just kind of sent home, you know just pushed to the side," he said.
"I wouldn't want this to happen to anybody's grandmother or anybody's family.
"It's life. It's something that's very fragile—especially in these times," Fereira told Florida's ABC 13.