DeSantis for the win

[Tsing Tao]

Case count continues to remain at elevated levels, but deaths continue to be below peaks, with 49 in the latest release.

ICU Headroom still available, with more than half still being used by non-Covid patients

Still showing an estimated 2600 beds remaining for use. Don't believe the stupid scaremongering crap coming from the people posting news articles with one intention - to make DeSantis look bad. This has nothing to do with DeSantis, and everything to do with data. I'm sure there are hospitals that have no more beds, because some hospitals have less than 10 ICU beds. Medical centers in Florida (which is sometimes referred to as Heaven's Waiting Room) are all over the place. Some hospitals are small.

And finally, I'll leave you with this graph that shows my biggest issue - the one I continue to harp on about this crisis. And that was that policy was developed and then mandated because of flawed data - basing results on the behaviors of a few states that lumped in the sick with the elderly in nursing homes and drove the narrative that this disease was far deadlier to the majority of us that was actually true. Please see:

 

[Tsing Tao]

Interresting, while concerning it's not really surprising, Collin county does many things a little wonky, it's basically Plano and Mckinney. They only account for around 700 cases. I don't doubt the numbers are off some in certain places, the trends are still concerning. I suspect and hope though you are right and a lot of the deaths are from the 4th holiday, we will see over the next couple of days.

I'm not sure. They can say that the deaths spiking now are because of the protests two or three weeks ago, but I doubt those who are susceptible to this virus were out protesting. Some maybe, but mostly...no. You can contribute the case spike to protests and people being out (much in the same way you will be able to point to the 4th). But the only way to understand this is to examine the age demographics of those who died.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Florida is fine. Even if true, this just needs to run it's course.

Just ignore Spike. Everyone else does. He's not interested in Florida, or any conversation or discussion. He's a drive-by poster, just throwing shit like the proverbial monkey and with as much added value. Doesn't even post links to his articles, so you have no idea if you're just getting a piece he wants you to see, or if there is another part of the story, etc.

 

[Buy1Sell2]

Just ignore Spike. Everyone else does. He's not interested in Florida, or any conversation or discussion. He's a drive-by poster, just throwing shit like the proverbial monkey and with as much added value.

There are several of those here.

 

[gwb-trading]

good for you. no one cares.

Truth is painful to read for you, eh?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Truth is painful to read for you, eh?

No, beating common sense into your head over and over is. You're a waste of time, and the real crime is you used to be such a contributor around here - for both left and the right. Now you're quickly making yourself irrelevant. Bugger off now. Adults are talking.

 

[noddyboy]

Again, that depends. If the reason hospitals are so full is because they're full of patients who held off elective surgery for so long and finally went through with it (knee replacements, etc) then the way you get more beds is to suspend elective surgery. But you can only suspend this for so long. Eventually people NEED the surgery (unless it is cosmetic) and the hospitals NEED the income or they go bankrupt.

The data I have been posting for Florida (and some for Texas) is showing the majority of the beds taken up by NON COVID patients. That means this is probably a big part of the bed "shortage".

And by the way, even if you cured the virus tomorrow, having people hold off elective surgery for a few more months - eventually they need to get the stuff done. So you're essentially talking about rationed healthcare now. Isn't that interesting. Might as well be single payer!

I can tell you that from NY, the hospital situation was critical especially if we didn't shutdown. I couldn't see a doctor myself.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I can tell you that from NY, the hospital situation was critical especially if we didn't shutdown. I couldn't see a doctor myself.

I believe you. I had heard similar things from people in the NYC area (my parents still live there, and that's where I grew up).

But if a sizable population of doctors who performed elective surgeries and whatnot went into lockdown and weren't working, that could explain a part of that.

 

[Wallet]

I can tell you that from NY, the hospital situation was critical especially if we didn't shutdown. I couldn't see a doctor myself.

Just wondering, do you go to the hospital to see a doctor? Here, when the stay at home/shelter in place orders were in effect, they closed all doctor/dental offices. You couldn’t get in to see a doc except tele-med. Hospital and ICU capacity have no correlation on the ability to see your personal doctor.

 

[Buy1Sell2]

I believe you. I had heard similar things from people in the NYC area (my parents still live there, and that's where I grew up).

But if a sizable population of doctors who performed elective surgeries and whatnot went into lockdown and weren't working, that could explain a part of that.

We can never ever lockdown again