DeSantis for the win

[Tsing Tao]

List of states with a higher death rate per 1M population than Florida:

NJ
NY
CT
MA
RI
DC (Not a state yet!!)
LA
MI
IL
DE
MD
PA
IN
MI
CO
NH
GA
MI
OH
NW
IA
NM
AZ
VA
AL
WA
MS
NV

And then there's Florida. #28 and well below the US Average. But I know, I know. DeSantis is all that is evil in the world. We hate DeSantis! (This is especially better if you bold and enlarge the font and write it) because he challenged our narrative! HOW DARE HE!!!

 

[El OchoCinco]

List of states with a higher death rate per 1M population than Florida:

NJ
NY
CT
MA
RI
DC (Not a state yet!!)
LA
MI
IL
DE
MD
PA
IN
MI
CO
NH
GA
MI
OH
NW
IA
NM
AZ
VA
AL
WA
MS
NV

And then there's Florida. #28 and well below the US Average. But I know, I know. DeSantis is all that is evil in the world. We hate DeSantis! (This is especially better if you bold and enlarge the font and write it) because he challenged our narrative! HOW DARE HE!!!

Even Fauci said death rates lag cases by up to 2 - 3 weeks. I do not think DeSantis or anyone else should be celebrating anything just yet. With the way Corona works it is way to early to take a victory lap.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Fauci said...bwaaaaahahaha. That dope flip flops more than a fish on the pier. The more spread the better. Gives us more opportunity to improve treatment protocols and the virus must work it's way through the population otherwise we never get to the otherside of it. What's to worry about? 3 out of 4 have no symptoms, and 99 percent of those that do will survive. It's nothing but a bad cold. Colds kill the same people year after year. The at risk groups are always the same for this and every other virus, ALWAYS!!!!

 

[gwb-trading]

Dashboard not updated yet, but the worldmeters one shows the chart. Oh no! The curve!! Its......flaaaaat.

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The best public health practice is to only move to the next phase of re-opening when cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are declining. Flat is not good. If any of the three are rising you need to lockdown further, and revert to your previous phase.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Even Fauci said death rates lag cases by up to 2 - 3 weeks. I do not think DeSantis or anyone else should be celebrating anything just yet. With the way Corona works it is way to early to take a victory lap.

I hear you. And your point is well taken. Deaths could still rise, and it could possibly get really bad. But I don't think so. Again, I don't think so. What I'm tired of is blatant, slanted and misleading rhetoric designed to make a man look bad simply because the people who bet against him aren't yet correct. With each day that goes by and things don't get bad (deaths) the rhetoric gets louder and louder. People in this thread have been saying "death rates lag two weeks" back at the end of May, and here we are at the beginning of July.

I am perfectly willing to admit my error if it gets really bad and there are a lot more deaths. I hope this doesn't happen - not because I don't want to be wrong, but I'd rather people not die!

This should be the position everyone takes.

 

[Tsing Tao]

The best public health practice is to only move to the next phase of re-opening when cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are declining. Flat is not good. If any of the three are rising you need to lockdown further, and revert to your previous phase.

Assuming I believe that your lockdowns worked (which I do not), this would be the correct course of action. But whether it is or is not the correct course of action, it isn't going to happen. So deal with it and stop shouting at the rain.

 

[jem]

How can you make statements as if you know something without balancing the risk vs reward.

It is so its annoyingly dumb.

You may wish to be treated as a mushroom, kept in the dark and fed a lot of shit. But... we need data showing that these shutdowns are going are actually do do more good than harm.

If its still mostly the high risk groups dying again... the problem is not solved by hiding the low risk group for a few weeks... because the same thing will happen again when they come out of lockdown. Lock down does not make this virus go away. Not in the U.S.

We have to use more useful tools. We could easily turn this into the same as the flu by telling the high risk to stay home and eliminate their contact with the low risk.

and

When there is a cluster and superspreader situation Govt should follow the proper protocols for that. If we follow the cluster and superspreader model this virus can be eliminated swifty according to the experts writing the papers. This is where targeted test and tracing and maybe limited lockdowns work.

Blunt general lockdowns are not called for unless hospitals are being overwhelmed.

The best public health practice is to only move to the next phase of re-opening when cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are declining. Flat is not good. If any of the three are rising you need to lockdown further, and revert to you previous phase.

 

[UsualName]

Even Fauci said death rates lag cases by up to 2 - 3 weeks. I do not think DeSantis or anyone else should be celebrating anything just yet. With the way Corona works it is way to early to take a victory lap.

Ahh, the contraction age in Florida is significantly low at about 35 on average. That makes a huge difference.

The problem is Florida has an out of control outbreak and it will be difficult to keep the virus away from the older population now. I would be very impressed if it does not enter into that cohort.

However, I am not optimistic because math doesn’t lie.

Also, for everyone interested in Florida specifically, the Tampa Bay Times is doing a really good job with the Covid reporting in Florida:

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/26/floridas-coronavirus-spike-5-things-to-know/

 

[gwb-trading]

Assuming I believe that your lockdowns worked (which I do not), this would be the correct course of action. But whether it is or is not the correct course of action, it isn't going to happen. So deal with it and stop shouting at the rain.

Why don’t you go ask New Zealand, Japan, and South Korea if lockdowns work. They are effectively COVID free, all the businesses are open, schools are open, and life is back to normal. With the sole exception on quarantines for incoming travelers and bans of incoming tourists.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Why don’t you go ask New Zealand, Japan, and South Korea if lockdowns work. They are effectively COVID free, all the businesses are open, schools are open, and life is back to normal. With the sole exception on quarantines for incoming travelers and bans of incoming tourists.

Because I don't give a shit about New Zealand, Japan and South Korea. No matter how many times you parrot the same thing.

Funny how when I compared Sweden to France and Belgium you immediately told me I couldn't compare Sweden to those countries:

The best comparison is the neighboring countries with similar cultures and population attributes.

But now I have to compare Florida to Japan and South Korea. Ok.