Derek Chauvin might get acquitted(right before the election, no doubt)

Bugenhagen said:
He had a potentially lethal amount. You hurt your argument by doing that lightweight stuff RaRa.

The families medical report reads very differently and this will have to be reconciled. From an NBC article.

"A separate autopsy commissioned for Floyd’s family also called his death a homicide. It concluded that that he died of asphyxiation due to neck and back compression, said the family’s attorney, Ben Crump, who called for the charge against Chauvin to be upgraded to first-degree murder and for three other officers to be charged. He didn't say what the charges against the other officers should be.

That autopsy, by a forensic pathologist who also examined Eric Garner’s body, found the compression cut off blood to Floyd’s brain, and that the pressure of other officers' knees on his back made it impossible for him to breathe, Crump said."

The female dispatcher who saw the surveillance footage made the comment to the effect call me a snitch if you like.. and expressed concern that the use of force seemed excessive to her and the others. We may well have a situation where process (dangerous process) was followed but a problem is the cover story the police usually issue have people not believing them anymore.

There is a similar issue in medicine, honesty seems rarely the policy.

A lot hinges on the actual and immediate reason he became unconscious, if it is a cartiod compression deal then it will come down to whether there was a provable motive for murder or not.
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Floyd was alive, standing, and resisting arrest before he was restrained. Eight minutes later or so, he is dead. The officer continued to use force well after Floyd was restrained, even after Floyd’s and bystander multiple pleadings. The term “Sociopathic behaviour” comes to mind. In my layman opinion, At best from a legal standpoint, the officer showed a reckless disregard for human safety. However, the officer continued to apply pressure for a few minutes after Floyd went limp. This seems to show the officer had the intent to kill or cause gross bodily harm to Floyd. It is one thing to hit a man when he is down. To continue to apply pressure, when that pressure is what caused Floyd to go limp in the first place is murder. Continuing to apply that pressure for several minutes after Floyd went limp creates an argument the officer either felt fully justified in killing Floyd and wanted to make he was dead or maybe the officer realized there was a problem and maintained the pressure as some sort of psychological denial that he did anything wrong.

The police ultimately derive their power from the people and the people are justifiably angry at what happened to career criminal Floyd. Everyday, at the beginning of each shift, police officers should be required to cite the motto: “To protect and serve”. This duty also applies to those who have gone astray. It is up to our judical process to determine guilt and punishment, not the police.
 
BeautifulStranger said:
Floyd was alive, standing, and resisting arrest before he was restrained. Eight minutes later or so, he is dead. The officer continued to use force well after Floyd was restrained, even after Floyd’s and bystander multiple pleadings. The term “Sociopathic behaviour” comes to mind. In my layman opinion, At best from a legal standpoint, the officer showed a reckless disregard for human safety. However, the officer continued to apply pressure for a few minutes after Floyd went limp. This seems to show the officer had the intent to kill or cause gross bodily harm to Floyd. It is one thing to hit a man when he is down. To continue to apply pressure, when that pressure is what caused Floyd to go limp in the first place is murder. Continuing to apply that pressure for several minutes after Floyd went limp creates an argument the officer either felt fully justified in killing Floyd and wanted to make he was dead or maybe the officer realized there was a problem and maintained the pressure as some sort of psychological denial that he did anything wrong.

The police ultimately derive their power from the people and the people are justifiably angry at what happened to career criminal Floyd. Everyday, at the beginning of each shift, police officers should be required to cite the motto: “To protect and serve”. This duty also applies to those who have gone astray. It is up to our judical process to determine guilt and punishment, not the police.
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When someone's heart stop the blood rushes from their face in a split second. Of course they can be very pallid from heart failure but usually onlookers can see death easily. From what I have read and I've not gone forensic, he actually died in the ambulance though he could well have already had extensive brain damage from the neck compression.

The hands in the pockets, fairly caviler remarks etc. and basically everything looks damning as hell but.. as you say it needs to go through investigation. If there are legal technicalities that seem fixed, it won't go down well with the public.

I'm reserving judgement despite my gut feeling like everyone else that this stinks too high. There are just too many police incidents that start with lies.
 
Floyd couldn’t breathe before he fell to the ground.
No injuries to neck at all.
Gonna be pretty easy to prove since there is no physical evidence of trauma.
Only a drug addict with a lethal dose of fentanyl and with blocked arteries...who still fought the cops. Idiot.
 
BeautifulStranger said:
What would you like to see happen?
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I'd like to see justice, whatever that may be. Floyd was a criminal from what I've read and the planet is better off without him. The cop seems like an asshole bully from what I read, so him not being in a position of power again would be a good thing. This thing happened a thousand miles from me so I'm not rooting for acquittal or conviction. Whatever is Gods will.
 
Amun Ra said:

The MPD authorizes the type of force Derek Chauvin used. Any normal person that didn't have a lethal amount of fentanyl would've survived. Worst case scenario, he gets manslaughter. A murder charge will not stick. Definitely possible he gets acquitted to which low information people that don't watch the case will be outraged and they'll burn and loot even more.
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Lyle, stay in your safe space.

https://knsiradio.com/news/local-news/expert-drug-toxicity-had-no-bearing-george-floyds-cause-death
 
El OchoCinco said:
Anyone who thinks that a cop is taught to knee the neck of a guy on the floor on his stomach in handcuffs for 8 minutes when he is not resisting at all while 3 cops stand around and watch just shows how happy they are a Black person died...and is reinforcing their position on the Autistic Spectrum
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They are taught this technique. However, they aren't taught to continue the technique once the victim has been disabled. They aren't taught to continue to apply pressure in that fashion to choke the life out of their victim. That's horseshit.

The technique is taught to subdue. Not to murder.

Cops are taught to taze suspects to subdue them as well. But once the suspect is subdued, the cop doesn't have the right to continue to shock the suspect until the batteries run dry, insert more batteries and continue zapping the suspect just "because".
 
Tsing Tao said:
They are taught this technique. However, they aren't taught to continue the technique once the victim has been disabled. They aren't taught to continue to apply pressure in that fashion to choke the life out of their victim. That's horseshit.

The technique is taught to subdue. Not to murder.

Cops are taught to taze suspects to subdue them as well. But once the suspect is subdued, the cop doesn't have the right to continue to shock the suspect until the batteries run dry, insert more batteries and continue zapping the suspect just "because".
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Right, we are saying the same thing.
 
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