depression

[345Antoinette]

Trading involves both winning and losing. So it's preferable to refine your trading approach, practice better risk management, or simply figuring out how to deal with losses better rather than simply denying the loss.

 

[claytantum]

Anxiety, depression These characteristics are all harmful to trading. Trading is based on positivity. Constant learning is what matters most, and we should focus on the bright side of everything.

 

[Andor Manly]

When we step into trading we should prepare our mind in such a way that it knows that having profits and losses would be a part of this thing. The first stage of loss enables you to deal with the losing trade but when losses exceed and one’s mind goes into a zone where he/she thinks loss is completely caused by their own doing. To maintain a balance one should always take wise decisions from the start. You can read trading books like Trading Psychology which will help you to overcome the depressive phase.

 

[MarkBrown]

if are a billionaire trader:

• you didn't accomplish that without literally working yourself to the brink of death.
  
• it was not accomplished without mental and psychical sacrifices and real pain.
  
• it was not achieved lusting for money or public recognition.
  
• you surely didn't do it with a group of friends, rather opposite you have few friends if any.
• your brain will be like a sponge soaking up information and squeezing out 99% of the excess often.
  
• depression greater than any normal human can bare is overcome with tenacity and adaptability.
  
• i need a rest now lol

 

[murray t turtle]

If one feels down or depressed, a change of environment is good. Went on a trip to south America alone for two weeks during fall of 2021. Loved every minute of it.

Traveling, exploring the world and see new places make me feel good, upbeat and happy mood.

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I did that 2 Argentina + Uruguay;
loved most of it. It did not really help or hurt depression much; but i went after the Falklands war.

 

[bln]

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I did that 2 Argentina + Uruguay;
loved most of it. It did not really help or hurt depression much; but i went after the Falklands war.

Maybe I'll take a trip to Buenos Aires some day if the place is worthy of a visit. I'm interested in history so I enjoy exploring old remainings of the Spanish empire. Old buildings, sites and stuff.

Got some vacation days saved up so plan on going to east asia for a 1 month tradecation (vacation combined with trading). Some chill beach location in Thailand, Philippines or Indonesia with relaxed atmosphere, good food, drinks and nightlife. Fun stuff like boating, yachting, snorkeling, diving, etc.

 

[Sprout]

... would be nice to share it with others and get some positive feedback but not many people are impressed by the geometric features of quantum field theory even tho it describes reality..

Sounds like my jam, love these lines of inquiry into the deeper nature of reality.

 

[Sprout]

Money keeps you isolated and drives away friends who used to be close to you. Money obscures the true nature of the relationship and gives you a false sense of security and affection from people that you think are drawn to you because of who you are but in fact were drawn to you because of your money. Money inflates or at least helps to inflate your sense of yourself to an unhealthy level that was not genuine. Money makes everything easy to fix when more real and arduous efforts are supposed to be spent to find the real solution and the root cause of the problem. Money makes you reckless and gives you a false sense of invincibility when you are just as vulnerable as the next guy/gal.

I can list many more ways where having money makes you worse than not. True in the end, it is you that really made those bad decisions that made your life worse but money is a very powerful enabler.

It can be all those things, depends a lot on formative imprints. The beliefs around what money is, what it represents and what it can facilitate is certainly a morass of associations, many not consciously chosen but inherited or formed during a significant life event.

 

[Sprout]

hi Stochastix,

I lost a friend to depression a few months back and having seen it upfront and closeup, every single one of us - the friends left behind - have been kicking themselves over what we could have done, should have done and might have said that could have made a difference.

So apologies if this seems a bit full on, but at least you know why. Here's what the fuck I wish I'd told him and so now say to you. Let's take as a given all the obvious things, exercise, new social groups, meditation, professional help, meds all that stuff. All of which can help, many of which mentioned so not knocking any of it or the suggestions so far.

But I just want to major on one single thing here - gut-brain axis.

I'm not medically trained but just read through this and see if it makes sense. I'm certain if it does to you, you'll grab it with both hands and take the right steps to sort it out. And when you do, you'll be able to help others in ways you've never imagined.

My friend's experience of depression was best described to me as a pattern of negative thoughts, and endless loop that would constantly repeat, and created an internal negative monologue he could never switch off.

So, you've got a problem in the brain - a destructive hard-wiring if you will. But the brains thoughts, feelings, emotions etc are directly linked to the gut.

read the whole thing:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6032096/#:~:text=Gut microbiota abnormalities can directly,to the gut microbiota hypothesis.

but the takeaway :
Gut microbiota abnormalities can directly induce depression, gut microbiota can influence the behavior and mind via the microbiota–gut–brain axis, and microbiota–gut–brain axis dysfunction is the main pathophysiology of depression, according to the gut microbiota hypothesis.

Your gut bacteria- collectively the biome has a feedback loop between the brain and the gut. Both affect each other. Meaning your thoughts affect your gut, and your gut affects your thoughts. You can induce depression in mice (noone's bold enough to do the human versions of this) by changing their gut bacteria, as has been proven thousands of times (you can search easily for the papers on this). Your gut thrives on the food you eat, and there's research I'd read a while back that shows that the emotions you have *at the time* of eating influence your biome.

For this reason, improving the plasticity of your brain, and improving your biome should both yield results.

1) Brain:
a) MDMA https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/mdma-depression
b) psilocybin / magic mushrooms: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/04/12/magic-mushrooms-depression-study/7287234001/
I don't have an easy answer as to how you do this in a clinical setting yet, maybe others have an idea?

2) Gut:
a) probiotics, fermented foods, low inflammation diet (no processed carbs, high fibrous veg etc). read up on Tim Spector, a prof who specialises in microbiome research
b) timing. Take every opportunity to eat with others and if you're eating alone, consider meditation style exercises prior to eating.

The one takeaway - don't wait for the answer to become mainstream. It takes decades to turn medical treatment direction around. Look into it, and I'm sure you'll find it makes sense. And good luck fella, really.

Lot's of solid advise and gems in this thread. Thanks to all whom shared a perspective.

especially memorable the posts of;
@Laissez Faire @ElCubano

 

[Sprout]

sleep, how you handle stress and food in that order. I preach it all that time. During sleep the glymphatic system which was discovered not many years ago works like the lymphatic system but for the brain. To take out the trash. It works best when we’re have good deep sleep. Peace.

edit. video looks like it has good info. Cant wait to dig into it. I have done Ice bath before and can assure you it is followed by one of the best sleeps I have ever had.

Underrated perspective. Having regular siestas helped my mood immensely. In addition, using GABA prior to an overnight sleep supported the effort. I recently got one of those PEMF mats, super deep naps now, super refreshing.