Dems lining up to prevent first woman from becoming CIA Director

I take you point. I read a CNN poll taken in 2005 that essentially stated that the majority of Americans were against torture (enhanced interrogation techniques).

Later vintage polls seem to infer that the majority of Americans support torture (enhanced interrogation techniques) - like this 2016 Reuters poll.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-torture-exclusive-idUSKCN0WW0Y3

Like many things politic, you can pretty much find a poll that supports your position.

I have seen Republicans and Libertarians come down on both sides of the issue; my sense is that most Democrats (at least the lawmakers) are against it.

I'm curious if the public is as strident about the topic as the Democratic Party Line is in terms of policy. I do not know. But it wouldn't surprise me if working class voters were less apprehensive about "enhanced interrogation techniques" (yeah, torture) than the Democratic Party policy line.
It is up to our leaders to explain why torture is not something civilized societies should engage in. It's of dubious value, has the potential to be counterproductive, and it places the perpetrator on a level of depravity below their victim.

And should I mention that torture violates international law to which the United States is a party. Those that Americans that authorized and/or participated in torture are criminals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effectiveness_of_torture_for_interrogation
 
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It's of dubious value, has the potential to be counterproductive




Chief Prosecutor Preet Bhahara:

“The defendant was believed to have, and did have, actionable intelligence about al-Qaeda, by virtue of his longstanding position in al-Qaeda; his assistance to known al-Qaeda terrorists; and his close relationship to long-standing al-Qaeda leaders, including Usama Bin Laden, ” Mr. Bharara wrote.

Thus, the brief continues, the U.S. “justifiably treated the defendant as an intelligence asset—to obtain from him whatever information it could concerning terrorists and terrorist plots. This was done, simply put, to save lives. And when significant intelligence had been collected from the defendant, the U.S. made the decision to continue holding him as an alien enemy combatant pursuant to the laws of war.”


in Mr. Bharara’s words, “the results of the CIA’s efforts show that the defendant’s value as an intelligence source was not just speculative.”

When Judge Lewis A. Kaplan ruled in the government’s favor, he stated that prosecutors had offered credible evidence not only that Mr. Ghailani had information essential to national security, but also that it “could not have been obtained except by putting him in that program.”
 
Chief Prosecutor Preet Bhahara:

“The defendant was believed to have, and did have, actionable intelligence about al-Qaeda, by virtue of his longstanding position in al-Qaeda; his assistance to known al-Qaeda terrorists; and his close relationship to long-standing al-Qaeda leaders, including Usama Bin Laden, ” Mr. Bharara wrote.

Thus, the brief continues, the U.S. “justifiably treated the defendant as an intelligence asset—to obtain from him whatever information it could concerning terrorists and terrorist plots. This was done, simply put, to save lives. And when significant intelligence had been collected from the defendant, the U.S. made the decision to continue holding him as an alien enemy combatant pursuant to the laws of war.”


in Mr. Bharara’s words, “the results of the CIA’s efforts show that the defendant’s value as an intelligence source was not just speculative.”

When Judge Lewis A. Kaplan ruled in the government’s favor, he stated that prosecutors had offered credible evidence not only that Mr. Ghailani had information essential to national security, but also that it “could not have been obtained except by putting him in that program.”

What makes you think that someone who would torture someone wouldn't lie to justify their illegal acts ? They are a criminal after all.
 
What makes you think that someone who would torture someone wouldn't lie to justify their illegal acts ? They are a criminal after all.

I dont know. We can agree that the dems that I mentioned who support Gina are certainly fucking liars, so there might be something to your point.
 
I dont know. We can agree that the dems that I mentioned who support Gina are certainly fucking liars, so there might be something to your point.
Do you think she we'll get by the Senate? She only needs one or two democrat votes to cancel the Republicans who have said they will vote against her. Personally that is not the kind of person I would like to see in charge, but they are not asking me.
 
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Do you think she we'll get by the Senate? She only needs one or two democrat votes to cancel the Republicans who have said they will vote against her. Personally that is not the kind of person I would like to see in charge, but they are not asking me.

I dont know. The dems and the Rand Paul types are looking to make a statement against trump on every vote so whether she is qualified or not is not really even a factor. Look no further than Pomeo's nomination. Definitely qualified but they rolled him over hard because the idea that deference should be given to the President's choice is gone now. Let's just say that a lot of Republicans voted for John Kerry but were not exactly John Kerry fans.

Yeh, I know, a couple may need to vote their conscience and that's fine. If only that was what was going on. I have no idea where the whip count is on her vote. I am sure many would prefer to see a real woman and a real patriot like Chelsea Manning in her place.
 
I dont know. The dems and the Rand Paul types are looking to make a statement against trump on every vote so whether she is qualified or not is not really even a factor. Look no further than Pomeo's nomination. Definitely qualified but they rolled him over hard because the idea that deference should be given to the President's choice is gone now. Let's just say that a lot of Republicans voted for John Kerry but were not exactly John Kerry fans.

Yeh, I know, a couple may need to vote their conscience and that's fine. If only that was what was going on. I have no idea where the whip count is on her vote. I am sure many would prefer to see a real woman and a real patriot like Chelsea Manning in her place.
Is your loyalty with Trump* or with the Republicans. It seems to me that both the Trump lock-er-uppers and the Republicans are on a sure path to destruction. The Trump deep state people are backing Blankenship in West Virginia, and according to Bloomberg this am he's "surging in the polls' and using the Trump rhetoric. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Democrats are contributing to his campaign and maybe even making phone calls on his behalf... Have you seen Blankenship on TV and listened to him. Jesus, we need better schools!!!
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* But surely Trump won't back him. He's got to have learned something from the Roy Moore fiasco.
 
Is your loyalty with Trump* or with the Republicans. It seems to me that both the Trump lock-er-uppers and the Republicans are on a sure path to destruction. The Trump deep state people are backing Blankenship in West Virginia, and according to Bloomberg this am he's "surging in the polls' and using the Trump rhetoric. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Democrats are contributing to his campaign and maybe even making phone calls on his behalf... Have you seen Blankenship on TV and listened to him. Jesus, we need better schools!!!
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* But surely Trump won't back him. He's got to have learned something from the Roy Moore fiasco.


Not sure how we got from the CIA nominee over to West Virginia. Might make sense to me later.
 
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