Democracies risk 'losing souls' as media freedom erodes, group says

[piezoe]

There have been proven instances of complete and total fabrication by the publications you hold dear

I did mention that, didn't I. Does not of course negate the fact that these particular organizations, on a relative basis, have impeccable records. Which is what I said, isn't it? (I did not check my post, because I wanted to give you a fair chance at gotcha. )

 

[Max E.]

Only to the extent that facts have an inherently "liberal" bias.

The truth only has a liberal bias if you are such a rigid idealogue that you think your own belief system is the absolute truth.

I could point to arguments where liberals embarassed themselves when it comes to science, and your response would be to point to arguments where conservatives embarassed themselves when it comes to science, and we we would end up exactly where we are right now.

I used to be 100% positive that my version of the truth was the truth, just like liberals. At some point life takes a toll on you, and you realize you werent as infallible as you once thought you were, anyone whether conservative or liberal, who assumes their ideology is the absolute truth, simply hasnt grown up yet.

 

[piezoe]

As President Trump approaches the end of his first 100 days in office, he has received by far the most hostile press treatment of any incoming American president, with the broadcast networks punishing him with coverage that has been 89% negative.

Wouldn't it be unreasonable for us to expect a lunatic in the oval office, one with a serious personality disorder, one who regularly changes his mind from day to day, to get positive press coverage? And we don't want to be unreasonable, do we?

 

[Frederick Foresight]

The truth only has a liberal bias if you are such a rigid idealogue that you think your own belief system is the absolute truth.

I could point to arguments where liberals embarassed themselves when it comes to science, and your response would be to point to arguments where conservatives embarassed themselves when it comes to science, and we we would end up exactly where we are right now.

I used to be 100% positive that my version of the truth was the truth, just like liberals. At some point life takes a toll on you, and you realize you werent as infallible as you once thought you were, anyone whether conservative or liberal, who assumes their ideology is the absolute truth, simply hasnt grown up yet.

You're the one talking in absolutes. I'm speaking relatively. Maybe you can point to liberals who embarrassed themselves when it comes to science, but I don't have enough fingers to point at all the conservatives who regularly do so.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

You guys can argue all you want. The facts are that the average well-informed voter not living in a coastal city not only distrusts the media but actively despises them. The media have totally lost whatever trust they had and for good reason. Getting it back would be next to impossible, but they aren't even trying. Instead, they're doubling down on a losing strategy.

Like the democrat party they represent, they are pushing an ever more extreme viewpoint onto an ever shrinking audience. At least the dems have a plan, which is to replace American citizens with immigrants. Since most of them are either illiterate or don't speak English, I can't see how that will help the media.

For all his bluster, Trump has done little to marginalize them. He's tossed a few scraps to conservative media but he hasn't really done anything to retaliate for the relentlessly hostile and unfair coverage. He has nothing to lose. I mean, how much more negative could they get? And his supporters would love seeing the leftwing media screwed over bigtime.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Wouldn't be unreasonable for us to expect a lunatic in the oval office, one with a serious personality disorder, one who regularly changes his mind from day to day, to get positive press coverage? And we don't want to be unreasonable, do we?

I thought Bill Clinton got very favorable coverage.

 

[Max E.]

You're the one talking in absolutes. I'm speaking relatively. Maybe you can point to liberals who embarrassed themselves when it comes to science, but I don't have enough fingers to point at all the conservatives who regularly do so.

Thats the thing, it used to be the far right religious idealogues who were the only nuts, but liberals are overtaking them on a daily basis.

 

[piezoe]

I thought Bill Clinton got very favorable coverage.

sorry I meant "wouldn't [it]..." but you were able to read my post correctly despite my error. I agree, Clinton did get fairly decent press coverage, but on the other hand Clinton was not a 'lunatic.' We will have to get rid of Trump somehow and let Pence take over. Don't know how that will come about, but we have a serious problem on our hands. We are getting some hints that the others are more or less taking over and just letting him think he is President. If it gets really bad, the Cabinet can sideline him. We have an Amendment that takes care of that situation.

 

[Max E.]

Wouldn't it be unreasonable for us to expect a lunatic in the oval office, one with a serious personality disorder, one who regularly changes his mind from day to day, to get positive press coverage? And we don't want to be unreasonable, do we?

My problem isnt necessarily with the 89% negative coverage of Trump, its the diference between the 89% positive coverage a Bufoon like Obama got for 8 years, and the shift that everyone in the world can see where they went from coddling Obama to actively working to take Trump down.

The only people with a lower rating right now than Trump is the mainstream media, there is a reason for that imo.

But really i think we are just seeing a world that is becoming further and further polar opposites as opinion gets monotized even more heavily based on the internet, the a-holes setting the opinion tow the line more and more, there is no one either of us could name anymore who is a deeply bipartisan thinker, but also makes their money in the media.

 

[CaptainObvious]

The subject of media bias isn't even debatable. There are decades of evidence for anyone interested in taking an honest look. The hard truth is that as a nation, sad as it is, would be better off to go uninformed rather than continue to be misinformed. The entire media industry needs to be scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up. That pretty much goes for the whole f'n country at this point.