Delta Neutral Strategy

Quote from daytrader85:

Here's another question that might be a little easier to answer - I hope atleast one of you.

Let's assume that I hold the short 1 ES (@1453.50) and the short 5 Oct 1350 Put (@17.10) till October option expiration. At October expiration, ES settles at 1349.00. I would now be <b> Long 4 ES</b>. My question is now, what is my average cost? I made 103.50pts (1453.50 - 1350) on the short ES position and I get to keep all the 85.5pts (17.10 x 5) that I sold. So, I made a total of 189pts (85.5+103.50). How account will show that I'm long 4 Dec ES @ 1350, but what is my actual average cost??

Hope this makes sense.

Thanks for your help.

Daytrader85

1350 :p
 
here you are reverse gamma scalping I assume.

but one suggestion: at 5 ES options and 1 futs contract, i don't think you have appropriate position size to accurately hedge your deltas. (since futs qualify as 100 deltas each) If you have portfolio margin, perhaps doing it thru SPY is better, that way you can perfectly hedge. ES is appropriate for this moreso if you are short 25+ options.

As the underlying goes up, you should be BUYING more (maintaining flat delta). Inverse is true - you should be selling as it goes down to maintain a flat delta. dynamic hedging...

now i've never done it, because gap risk and the idea that you are selling a low market, buying a high market doesn't suit me.

atticus:?? how frequently would you dynamically hedge on a short gamma position ??? price intervals???

Considering long gamma scalping is a tough strategy that doesn't really easily work unless you get plenty of movement, perhaps this is fundamentally a bet that volatility will subside and price will stay still. Ever think of doing vix futures calendar spread instead?
 
Quote from donnap:

1350 :p

I posted my message I realized that it was 1302.75. I made 189pts, but divide among the 4 lots that I am long and get 47.25. So, my average cost on each contract is 1350 - 47.25 = <b>1302.75</b>
 
Quote from scriabinop23:


atticus:?? how frequently would you dynamically hedge on a short gamma position ??? price intervals???


atty's answer will be scalping hedging=art
 
DT85 your calcs on cost basis look correct - sorry for the smartass reply

Quote from IV_Trader:

atty's answer will be scalping hedging=art

This sums up in one sentence what took me several paragraphs to say in my PM.

I also included :

Quote from spindr0:

...Acceptable risk/reward is a personal thing.

I've been trading ratio spreads/writes on ES so I thought that I'd throw in my two cents. I found my thoughts muddled when it came down to putting it into words.
 
Quote from IV_Trader:

atty's answer will be scalping hedging=art

I forecast IV and distribution 5 days forward, which gives me an acceptable cushion. I don't hedge discretely unless on meth.
 
Quote from atticus:

I forecast IV and distribution 5 days forward, which gives me an acceptable cushion. I don't hedge discretely unless on meth.

can you give an example with some details to the mechanics of this w/ example trades?

:)
 
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