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Do you consider God your imaginary friend ?

Definitions:

Imaginary - existing only in the imagination.

Imagination -
1. the faculty or action of forming new ideas, or images or concepts of external objects not present to the senses
2. the part of the mind that imagines things

Imagine - form a mental image or concept of


Answer to your question. No.

Please note... I left this wide open, so enjoy....
 
Quote from giles117:
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Answer to your question. No.
Appreciate the direct replies.

Do you then consider God to be real? As real as your wife ?
 
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Where is this Genesis duality??? Please show it to me.....

The Bible calls it "The Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL"

It says...

Adam was split into "two"...male and female. That's a symbol of duality.

But there is "no male or female in Christ".

Christ is reality. Oneness is reality. Love is the only reality. These are words to describe the one reality.

Genesis insists that there is both good and evil instead of only Love.

That's a symbol of duality.

Two arms, two legs, two ears...ect.

More symbols of duality...made "real".

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What we have here my friend is a failure to understand language.... image.... what is an image..... I take a picture, I have an image..... How hard is it to believe God would create a man that looks similar to him. 2 Legs, 2 arms, a face, eyes, a nose, etc.....

Are you really suggesting our Father has 2 legs, 2 arms, a face, eyes, a nose, etc...?

This is inevitable, that you will make an image of God in your own image. How is that different from an idol?

But God creates only in His image, formless, unlimited spirit.

God's Son, then, must be formless, unlimited spirit...exactly in the image of his Father. This is home, and this is Utopia.

If formless, unlimited spirit uses its mind to make a new self-concept of Self, then it may appear in the form of man, or anything else. This is not Utopia.

This is what it means to leave home...to appear in the form of man, woman, animal...anything that has form, and the illusion of energy that underlies it.

Upon returning home, the Son finds that he was unable to change or alter his reality - his inheritance - by any self-concept he made up about himself.

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If God only creates unlimited spirit, the Jesus was never the son of god, and you were not real..... However Genesis SAID that God created Man in his image and likeness. John recorded that the Word became Flesh.....


It does not follow. If God only creates unlimited spirit, then I am the Son of God, and never was I the son of man, and never was my appearance real.

To "become" flesh, and to be flesh are not the same. Interpret "became" as "appeared as" and you have something to work with.

Genesis contradicts my account of actual occurrances regarding the prodigal Son.

Genesis "said" the Son was kicked out of home.

I said he left home voluntarily.

Genesis "said" the Son is guilty.

I said he was not guilty, and neither does his father react as if he is guilty.

Genesis "said" man is the image of God.

This is the same as saying the image of the prodigal son is the image of his father...making the father a wandering, poverty stricken, seeker.

If you simply interpret "image" to mean the "same as", you will see the problems in Genesis.

Look closer and you will see that everything man symbolizes is the opposite of the attributes of our Father.

For example:

Littleness vs Magnitude
Flesh vs Spirit
Separate vs One
Weak vs Strong
Vulnerable vs Invulnerable
Limited vs Unlimited
Form vs Formlessness

These are symbols of duality.

To "eat" of the tree of good and evil is to attempt to make both true, splitting reality into real and unreal, true and untrue, Heaven and hell.

To "eat" is merely to consider, think about, meditate upon and imbibe into the fertile ground of mind, where what is seeded grows to bear fruit.

"Eat" duality and you will experience death, because there is only immortal life in reality.

To die you must first have a body.

Both bodies and death are illusions.




You think temptation means to lust.

I am teaching you that temptation is anything that teaches the Son of God that he is a body.

This is what the prodigal Son fell for.

And if you think you are a body, you'll fall for other bodies because that is all you will see.

And you will notice that the prodigal Son still puts up a persistent defense in favor of the reality of his body.

When he grows weary of it, he will go home.

Jesus
 
Quote from I am...:

It says...

Adam was split into "two"...male and female. That's a symbol of duality.

But there is "no male or female in Christ".

blah blah blah blah blah blah, ad nauseam, om om om om om om om etc...

Ramtha

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Quote from stu:

Appreciate the direct replies.

Do you then consider God to be real? As real as your wife ?

Question 2 - No.

Definitions:

Real -
1. actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed
2. (of a substance or thing) not imitation or artificial; genuine

Fact -
a thing that is indisputably the case
thing -
an object that one need not, cannot, or does not wish to give a specific name to
occurring - happen; take place
substance - the real physical matter of which a person or thing consists and which has a tangible, solid presence
exist -
have objective reality or being
presence -
the state or fact of existing, occurring, or being present in a place or thing
objective-
not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts
being -
a supernatural entity



Hebrews 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Supernatural - attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature


Question 1. No.

However my faith in the existence of a supernatural being, called God or Jehovah, gives substance to my belief that he exists and that he answers my prayers and that he speaks to me.....

My evidence is the positive results I get from following his instruction which I, again, have faith in and believe was placed in written tangible form which has been accumulated and is called The Bible.

I'll be honest, if I had ZERO experience, I would have ZERO reason to continue to believe in a God that I cannot see. But my CHoice to take a chance on this unseen God yielded results... Those results gave me experience and allowed me to exercise faith in God again over and over, till I reached a point of no return.... My experience with this unseen God has proven to me that he exists, so in my world he is....
 
Question 1:
Do you then consider God to be real?

Quote from giles117:
Question 1.
No.

. My experience with this unseen God has proven to me that he exists, so in my world he is...
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You consider God is not real but is real in your(imaginary) wotld. Is that right?

May I conclude then, by the personal experince you described, you do not agree with this...

"... these "friends" are not real and that they [children] will outgrow their need for such companionship with time.. "
 
Quote from I am...:

It says...

Adam was split into "two"...male and female. That's a symbol of duality.


Did the bible say that????

I yield to the Bibles version, not yours....

Genesis 2:21-22
And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.


Definition
Split - break or cause to break forcibly into parts, esp. into halves or along the grain

took - removed

SO, no the bible said nothing about a splitting.... You did....


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But there is "no male or female in Christ".
LOL. Another parable for those who are blinded.

The actual text says this....

Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Lets define a few more words...

One - a single person or thing, viewed as taking the place of a group
In - expressing inclusion or involvement

The writer again was making an allegory.. Looking back to Vs 27 is says: For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

If we having put on christ (figuratively) then in this union with christ he makes no difference to our nationality or racial position, he makes no difference to our position as a slave or a free man and he makes no difference to our sexuality. as far as Christ is concerned, we are all the same in his eyes. Again something his Father has shown us.... as shown in this verse... Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Respect - a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements

God respects faith.... Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him.

If you want his admiration, it begins and ends with faith.


Christ is reality. Oneness is reality. Love is the only reality. These are words to describe the one reality.

God is Love - I John 4:8b

Genesis insists that there is both good and evil instead of only Love.

If there is only love then explain away the hatred mankind has one against another....

That's a symbol of duality.

Two arms, two legs, two ears...ect.

More symbols of duality...made "real".

To believe there is nothing more than Love and that Good and Evil do not exist is to symbolize confusion.

Are you really suggesting our Father has 2 legs, 2 arms, a face, eyes, a nose, etc...?

This is inevitable, that you will make an image of God in your own image. How is that different from an idol?

I am not suggesting, I am quoting from the book I accept as his words, transcribed by fallible man...

Again I restate, we were made in his image, not the other way around.... If I image a thing, it is not the same as the original..... It is in the pure essence of the Hebrew word for image in this passage.... a Resemblance....

They say we resemble Apes, but do we???? Are there similarities??? Head, face, 2 arms 2 legs as you state, but that is where it ends....
Likeness in the Hebrew in this passage = resemblance or modeled after....

SO does God look like us or do we look like God?? Can we get an idea of what God MAY look like by looking at one another???

Finally. Romans 1:24 puts it into perspective....And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

The word to key in on is GLORY...... When man says God looks like us he misses one key factor... Gods Glory is what makes him NOT like us. We were created in his image. Not the other way around.... We do not have his Glory. That sets him apart from us....

Do not be confused. God does not look like us, but rather we look like him... Personally I have looked at apes, and I do NOT look like an Ape, although an Ape may resemble me....

But God creates only in His image, formless, unlimited spirit.

God's Son, then, must be formless, unlimited spirit...exactly in the image of his Father. This is home, and this is Utopia.

If formless, unlimited spirit uses its mind to make a new self-concept of Self, then it may appear in the form of man, or anything else. This is not Utopia.

If prior to Adams transgression this was not Utopia to the dirt formed and life breathed Man placed on this earth, then why are you here???

If God wanted more for "mankind" from the outset, then why bother breathing spirtual life into a lump of dirt and forcing him to be limited to this plane of existence......

And if you are Jesus and Jesus is quoted saying, "I and My Father One," then are you publicly admitting that this entire Earth/Man experiement was a Humongous failure????

Man didnt do what you wanted him to do... You messed when you gave him Free Will, you messed up when you created Lucifer and you messed up with the 1/3rd of the angels he took with him on their day of creation....

SO I would conlude that you are a mess..

Now the God I serve isnt a mess. So we have established that you are not him...

But then again that is what I have been saying all along....

You have imagined a Vain thing..... Satan did the same. He imagined a Vain thing and Lost all of his brilliance which wasnt his to begin with.

Genesis contradicts my account of actual occurrances regarding the prodigal Son.

Genesis "said" the Son was kicked out of home.

I said he left home voluntarily.

The Garden was Not Mans Home. It was a place of residency. A residence is not your Home. It is a place in which your physical body resides from time to time. The phrase "home is where the heart is" captures this beautifully, after all it was yeshua that said, "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

So if I agree that home is where the heart is, then Adams home was in his relationship with The Father.... When he left that home voluntarily to pursue the very thing his Father warned him about, he died in his relationship with God.

But again this was a Parable spoken... Not to be taken literally. So even though you claim to be the Jesus that spoke this parable how is you do not understand the definition of the word Parable.....


You think temptation means to lust.

I never said that.

James never said that.

Again, unlike Yeshua, you misquote and misrepresent facts that are typed/written...

It is difficult to converse with someone who fails to understand basic definitions of words, basic use of language and the basic principles of debate....

If one understands a parable is not a literal occurrance then one is in position to truly understand what yeshua was saying... As long as one takes the figurative and makes it literal he will be confused....

And he will spread this disease of confusion to the masses....
 
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