Definition of Atheism

Quote from peilthetraveler:

Education? What education proves that there is no life after death? What education PROVES that God doesnt exist? But here...lets try an experiment to see how that education is working out for you.

1. Hold out your hand and open it and notice that there is nothing in it.

2. Wait for that nothing to become something.


A little bit of science moves man away from God.
A lot of science moves man back toward God.

Look at the complexity of a cell. How can any reasonable man look at that and think it just happen and was not designed? Google Irreducible Complexity or just click this link. (which you probably will not do because you want to stay in your limited educational bubble)

http://www.creationevolution.net/irreducible_complexity.htm
please stop. all you are doing is making christians look stupid by posting endless pratts (pratt=point refuted a thousand times).
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe.html
http://www.talkdesign.org/faqs/flagellum.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_HVrjKcvrU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdwTwNPyR9w
 
Quote from vhehn:

you are simply feeling an emotion based on a delusion. every believer of every religion feels their god deep down is relating with them. if you had been born in a muslim country you would have the same deep feeling about allah.

That's an assumption on your part, you do not know me or anything about me. No, what I feel is not emotion, it has power that can be felt and seen in it's actions.

2 Tim 1:12b "Yet I am not ashamed, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him for that day." NIV

vhehn, to you too, you seem to have studied in depth, but you study through the eyes of the natural(carnal) man, for spiritual matters there needs to be an interpreter.

Debate all you want, I've said all I can.

God Bless
 
Quote from Wallet:

That's an assumption on your part, you do not know me or anything about me. No, what I feel is not emotion, it has power that can be felt and seen in it's actions.

2 Tim 1:12b "Yet I am not ashamed, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him for that day." NIV

vhehn, to you too, you seem to have studied in depth, but you study through the eyes of the natural(carnal) man, for spiritual matters there needs to be an interpreter.

Debate all you want, I've said all I can.

God Bless

are you saying that to really believe you must give up your ability to think critically? is a free mind of no value to you?
 
Quote from Wallet:

Stu,

What you don't understand is the fact that GOD is real, his words are not some fictional storybook.

You want something concrete, something you can put your hands on, it's there in front of you, except that your natural senses cannot comprehend spiritual maters. You come to God in faith and repentance, as God draws individuals to Himself.

What you can't comprehend I feel and experience in my life. No, God does not talk to me in an audible voice, but I feel his presence, love, His guidance in my life everyday. I see his work and my answered prayers, I also feel his correction when I sin.

God's work can be seen in the life of every true believer, as they are a new creature.

Because of what He has done in my life, makes me love my family even more. Because his love shines through me, when I let it. How is it that Jesus said Love one another, yet you say hate your family. The Bible doesn't contradict itself, just our limited understanding at times.

What seems false and a fairytale to you is very much real to me.

I can't help you my friend, the understanding comes from God and God alone, but if you ask Him he will reveal it to you.

regards
Wallet,

Religious bent apart , I am sure you are otherwise well meaning, but your response to the God myth as it comes across in your post, portrays an area where contradictory and incoherent statements sound true to you, for no real reason other than emotion.

Look at this, just think about what you are saying here for one second....

"How is it that Jesus said Love one another, yet you say hate your family. The Bible doesn't contradict itself, just our limited understanding at times."


Notice how you state I say "hate your family", when all the time the only thing I did was to point out what the Bible says and what Jesus said ... you must HATE your family to be a disciple..

How can you come to such a perverted conclusion that you would blame some limited understanding for not understanding what the word HATE means?


As I said earlier by doing that you make it reasonable to ask by the same token, why could you not follow Mein Kampf , not understand what Hitler said in the same way as you are doing with Jesus, and because of what you are told in it, let Hitler's "love" shine through too, just like that Jesus “love” does, but which in both cases is actually a call to hate.

In most any other sphere, I think getting things that wrong might cost you dearly. You are fortunate that the mass psychosis of invisible friends is collectively recognized as religion, and as long as you don't break the law it's ok to be delusional.

The Bible is contradictory, hateful, murderous, threatening and vulgar in enormous proportions. A peppering of love and kindness does not excuse it’s underlying malicious themes.
Thanks for the offer all the same, but I am relieved to say I don't need help from anyone or anything that tries to tell me to put my family second place.
But good luck with the loathsome religious head game you've got going there.
The big difference between you and I in this regard is, I can consider the contrary, whilst you being clearly taken by the spiritual virus, cannot.
 
Quote from vhehn:

you are simply feeling an emotion based on a delusion. every believer of every religion feels their god deep down is relating with them. if you had been born in a muslim country you would have the same deep feeling about allah.

Absolutely right.

It took me 25 years to break away, but looking back, yes, I have to say that I was actively fooling myself.

I do not feel anger towards those who still believe. Instead, I feel pity. They are wasting the only life they have--plus their time, their money--on a delusion, a lie.

The irony is that they think they are free, but they are ones in chains.
 
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