defining a living thing

Quote from aphexcoil:

Wow man, you're so far out in left field that you're not even in the same ballpark anymore -- you're not even playing the same sport.

Do you honestly think these posts on Elite Trader are going to change the world? If you feel this strongly, then go join PETA and help those ultra-liberals change the world so that one day we may all eat seaweed and dirt.
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on this issue i may be on the left, but i'm not a leftist. i'm a libertarian, but not even a full blown one. i don't care if my opinion is considered extreme; people can be totally oblivious in so many ways.

as for my posts on ET, we can't say what impact they will have. the world is chaotic. who knows who will read this and the chain of events that may follow. if i save one animal, my posts are worth it.

Butterfly Effect: Due to nonlinearities in weather processes, a butterfly flapping its wings in Tahiti can, in theory, produce a tornado in Kansas. This strong dependence of outcomes on very slightly differing initial conditions is a hallmark of the mathematical behavior known as chaos.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ButterflyEffect.html
 
Quote from Gordon Gekko:


aphex, as part of the dominant species on earth, you may think it's funny, but you'd cry your ass off and beg for your life if you were standing in line with your family waiting to have your guts ripped out while still screaming--and after you just saw it happen to your mother, nevertheless. all so a probably overweight member of a species above you can eat his/her hamburger at mcdonald's.

funny how a religious person like you doesn't seem to care too much about killing living things, but me, the big bad atheist, doesn't even kill bugs.
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If there were no cows or pigs or whatever.. I'd eat humans, too

so there :) what does that make me? (besides meat addicted)

Tiki
 
Quote from Covertibility:

http://www.restoredcog.org/questions/p051.a.html

"Q: What does the Bible say about the hunting and killing of animals?
A: As indicated in Genesis 1:26, God gave man control over the rest of His physical creation: “And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea…and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing…”

The Creator then went on to very clearly indicate which kinds of animals were fit for human consumption, in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14:3-21. Very plainly then, hunting and killing animals for food cannot be wrong. King David was a hunter of game, and the disciples were fishermen. During one particular trip, it is recorded (Luke 5:1-9) that Jesus Himself even helped them with that day’s catch.



It is also not wrong to kill predators. Again, the record of David’s youth indicates in I Samuel 17:34-36 that he killed a lion and a bear to protect his flock of sheep.

When killing animals, one must carefully discern the purpose and attitude. Is it truly for food? Or is it more for the sport or trophy? Keep in mind that animals are, after all, part of God’s creation and, as such, should be treated with a certain amount of respect."

Oh Lord,
Rub a dub dub,
Thanks for the grub.
Amen.
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I love it when someone uses Leviticus to justify a position. Well then, lets bring back slavery too.

Leviticus 25:44-46:
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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. "


BTW-I like my steaks medium rare.

DS
 
Quote from Gordon Gekko:

. i was thinking about meat eaters and animal testing. i believe in the future we will grow bodies without brains, or complete brains, and use them to grow meat and do testing. this may sound strange now, but it will happen in future.

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The future is now because clearly, you have a body but no brain..Im just amazed at how every time you open your mouth, crap just dribbles out.......What an interstingmoral dilemma you have: On another thread you say that we are NO DIFFERENT then animals or microbes." There is no God and that its Lights out when we die.....So I will ask again: If we are all equal then is it a holocaust everytime you put some Ortho on an ant hill?? and if we are all the same and there is no god and we are all just animals....then why should we not eat anything we want just like the animal kingdom does??
 
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The future is now because clearly, you have a body but no brain..Im just amazed at how every time you open your mouth, crap just dribbles out.......What an interstingmoral dilemma you have: On another thread you say that we are NO DIFFERENT then animals or microbes." There is no God and that its Lights out when we die.....So I will ask again: If we are all equal then is it a holocaust everytime you put some Ortho on an ant hill?? and if we are all the same and there is no god and we are all just animals....then why should we not eat anything we want just like the animal kingdom does??
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dude, sometimes you are just silly. you can't even quote me right. please post here the EXACT statement where i said, "we are NO DIFFERENT than microbes." i would really like to see that. i think what you may be referring to is when i said a human's DEATH is no different than an ant's.

to answer your question, yes, bug pesticides are mass killings of living things. people don't care as much, though, because they are tiny and don't appear to be that intelligent. as i said in post 1 in this thread, i believe life is a scale. i'm not saying i've never killed a bug; sure i've probably stepped on some while running, but i avoid killing them if possible.

as for comparing us to wild animals, i've explained this in another post. i have no problem with a lion killing a giraffe in africa. it's survival of the fittest and that's just how things are. the lion NEEDS to do that to survive and probably doesn't feel bad for the other animal. humans don't NEED to kill all these animals. we also are aware they have feelings. even if we continue slaughtering them, we do it brutally when we could put them to sleep instead. we should be above all this stuff (i already am).
 
Quote from Gordon Gekko:


as for comparing us to wild animals, i've explained this in another post. i have no problem with a lion killing a giraffe in africa. it's survival of the fittest and that's just how things are. the lion NEEDS to do that to survive and probably doesn't feel bad for the other animal. humans don't NEED to kill all these animals. we also are aware they have feelings. even if we continue slaughtering them, we do it brutally when we could put them to sleep instead. we should be above all this stuff (i already am).
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You are such a hypocrite.....you run around wanting to get In God we trust removed from money and the pledge......then you go around preaching animal and bug morality and want us all to drop the hamburger LOL!!! So any sort of religion or morality is WRONG....unless of course its something Gordon believes in .....let me guess , your pro abortion as well????
 
Quote from Gordon Gekko:


dude, sometimes you are just silly. you can't even quote me right. please post here the EXACT statement where i said, "we are NO DIFFERENT than microbes." i would really like to see that. i think what you may be referring to is when i said a human's DEATH is no different than an ant's.
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Gordon Gekko
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Registered: Nov 2001
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10-18-03 06:48 PM



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Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

"my death or "afterlife" is the same as an ant's, a dog's, a worm's, the pope's, or adolf hitler's. when the pope dies, his afterlife or death will be exactly what adolf hitler got. that is the same i will get. that is the same we all will get NO MATTER WHAT CRAP YOU BELIEVE OR WERE BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING." --GG
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as unpopular as my statement may be, it makes total sense.

show me something that indicates one man's death/"after-life" is different from any other man's.

furthermore, show me how any man's death is different than a dinosaur's or a microscopic bug's.


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"You're walking around blind without a cane, pal. A fool and his money are lucky enough to get together in the first place." - Gordon Gekko, Wall Street
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GG - Your logic and convoluted thinking and probably trading display all the symptoms of the dangers of a meat free diet.
The last thing any of the rest of us would want to do is take your advice and turn out similarly.
 
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