Quote from me:
you will do anything other than admit that your belief is purely faith-based and that, contrary to your claims, it is not scientific or supported by data in any way, and that ID is not a research project, but a propaganda campaign mounted by radical Christians to impose their faith-based world view on a majority which has no interest in it.
Quote from Teleologist:
You will do anything other than admit that your belief is based purely on materialist philosophy and that you are part of a propaganda campaign mounted by evangelical atheists to impose their faith-based world view on a majority which has no interest in it.
Quote from Teleologist:
Sure, you could say that and readers on this forum could decide if they think your opinion is reasonable. Likewise, readers here can decide if the design inference in biology is equivalent to inferring the Sea of Tranquility was designed or if it's equivalent to inferring a Mount Rushmore-like structure was designed.
Quote from Teleologist:
Never said it was. You said there was no evidence of ID. That is a stronger claim than merely saying you have not found any evidence of ID.
So.... what is the evidence that ID'ers are putting forth to support their claim that a logical inference is that God exists?
They are proffering ID as a scientifically provable theory..
ID'ers have responded by avoiding the question and asking us to disprove ID, or by telling us that the scientific method is brainwashing, as you, Zeleologist/pilier, have been doing in this thread and 3 other threads that you have started.
and why would we???Quote from CaptainObvious:
I only have my own personal experiences of spiritual enlightenment, all of which I'm sure you'd roll your eyes at
cute...Quote from pattersb:
Question: Would you allow for people to send their kids to religious schools by supported the implementation of a school-voucher system, which would redirect property tax dollars away from the public school systems and into faith-based schools? Schools that teach lessons in morality, ethics, "Intelligent Design" as a theory?
No? So, you'd relegate this choice only to the wealthy?
Here's where I have problems with people like you. (at least one of the problems anyway ...)
The vast majority of this country label themselves as "religious", mostly christian. Most of these are not "radical christians", nor are they 6000 year old earth, noah's ark, biblical fundamentalists.
What YOU ARE is a radical minority who wishes to impose their atheists views on the majority which has no interest in it.
Take a poll about removing "god" from the pledge allegiance, or from US currency, and then try to convince people you are not a radical minority. I can hear your come back now, "Well, the sheeple, idiots and blinded by the Jerry Farewell's of the world, need to be educated to Know that GOD IS DEAD"....
Newton was biblical scholar, and a devout Christian, as ARE and HAVE been many scientists.
http://www.csg.net/eschatology/Newton
I just spit on you fucking people ... "Love thy enemy", my arse.
Quote from Teleologist:
TraderNik wrote:[...]
You are truly clueless about ID. When you ask for evidence of ID you are really asking for evidence of the supernatural. ID has nothing to do with the supernatural. And evidence isn't the same a proof. You are continuously confusing evidence with proof.
TraderNik wrote:[...]
Not me. I never claimed ID was a theory and never claimed I could prove ID. All I expect of ID is that it generate insight into the biotic world.
Quote from traderNik:
I am perfectly willing to hear what proofs are being offered for ID. Unfortunately, no one can provide anything but assertion and evasion, like 'life on earth is designed because it is apparent to us that it is designed'.
Quote from I am...:
When you begin to see yourself as intelligent, you may remember that there is an intelligent designer...THE intelligent designer.
Clues are here and there. But you are not yet ready to see, for example, how light can change between waves and particles depending on the perciever.
What is implied by ID'ers is that there is a separate ID - out there somewhere - just as certain religionists propose a separate God out there somewhere. This is an identification value that creates illusions out of light. You are re-acting to this...acting it out again and again...every time you agree that YOU are not the designer.
There is a choice always to not be reactionary, but to create anew out of light as the cause that you are. You are doing that anyway. It may as well be a conscious decision!
Jesus