Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Uncertainty does not mean no cause...
In your opinion.
It means uncertainty of cause...
In your opinion.
Physics is not about magic...
Really? Then how do you explain your stated belief that God manifests ministers of the Earth out of pure potentiality?
Oh, and since you claim that science measures probability, please let us know what the probability is that observed changes in biological organisms are cause by design or chance...
The fact that probability is scientifically measurable is so far beyond question that only an idiot would dispute it.
Oh, and by the way, Vegas won't let Bob Bright and other card counters play certain card games there, as they are certain that he and other expert card counters will win...
You are talking to one of the best card counters who's ever lived, right now, Z -- and your understanding of this issue is absolutely delusional.
No individual Blackjack hand or string of hands can be predicted in advance, any more than any individual roll of dice or spin of the roulette wheel. The outcome of Blackjack can only be predicted in the long run after playing thousands (and more likely, tens of thousands of hands).
See the "Theory of Blackjack" by Peter Griffin for a thorough discussion of all of the mathematics necessary to calculate probabilities for the game.
You missed the point about roll of the dice. The point was, that if all environmental and external conditions are known, controlled and static, and if someone threw a 7 and could then repeat the next throw with the exact same position, angle, force, speed etc. as the previous 7 every single time, he would roll a 7 every single time. Simple physics.
If all the conditions are known in advance, then the outcome is no longer random, so your "point" demonstrates your utter and total ignorance of how probability works. Probability is a measurement of multiple independent trials. No single trial can be predicted in advance, nor can any successive string of trials be predicted. If it were otherwise, then the casinos would be bankrupted by people who would watch the roulette wheel for a long streak of red outcomes, and then they would bet on black and win.
Do you know what casinos call gamblers who bet like this?
They call them LOSERS, because all of them must lose in the long run, as roulette is a negative expectation game and no one can beat the game over time if they continue to play.
The reason why people like Bob Bright can win at Blackjack is because they can calculate the overall probability of success and increase their bets during periods when the probabilities favor them. But, over the course of any particular set of favorable hands, not even the best Blackjack counter can predict the outcome of even a single hand.
You might say that is not possible for a human being to do it, but could a properly programmed machine do it if all the data were known to repeat the throw exactly?
Could a loaded pair of dice do it?
LOL!
Because the human being cannot control their movements exactly, nor control their environment exactly, that doesn't mean that a perfect roll of the dice could not be thrown every single time if they could...or that there is cause and effect in play.
You are demonstrating stultifying ignorance. I'm not gonna laugh at you, however, because your idiocy speaks volumes on its own.
Enroll in a probability class, because you don't know what you're talking about.
Scientists can speculate at will, believe whatever they like, adopt any particular dogma...but when they push such atheistic dogma on children in public schools, that is not right. Just as it would not be right to push a religious dogma on children in public schools.
When a person propounds an unsupportable position as fact, such as the position re probability that you are currently alleging due your complete lack of understanding of the subject matter, that is unscientific.
Science should be taught in science class. ID is not science, because it has yet to be measured. Evolution is science because it is measurable. And, that's why evolution is taught in science class in preference to ID and Astrology.
Oh, still waiting for conclusive evidence that the changes we see in biological organisms are a product of ignorant chance, and not design...
You will wait forever, because you incorrectly believe that the only way to do science is to absolutely rule out all possible negative outcomes before declaring a hypothesis confirmed. This believe is weird and no sane person would adopt such a ridiculous world view.
You have a total and complete misunderstanding of the scientific method and how it works. And, now, thanks to your comments in this post, it is completely obvious that you don't have a clue about how probability works, either, which means that even when someone like myself explains it to you, you are unable to grasp the concepts involved.
So, please study a few semesters of probability and statistics and then we can continue this discussion, ok?
