Defending the Wedge Strategy

[stu]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

I'll agree that believing in ID is a stretch. Almost as much of a stretch as believing that once upon a time there was nothing, and then for no particular reason nothing exploded. From the nothing explosion came something that for no particular reason evolved into something else. Fast forward a few billion years and here we are typing away. Yep! I'd say both beliefs require a great deal of faith. The difference is, one group of believers will admit that, the other group won't.

So you are saying it would be a stretch to believe an Intelligent Designer could come about from nothing ?

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Things appear designed

Only to the faithful, Zeleologist. Is there any better evidence of the faith-based nature of ID than this?

Things appear designed, indeed. Do you believe in ghosts, Z? What about Goblins?

'It appeared to be a ghost to me!!! I think I saw a ghost!!'

lol... no further evidence of failure is necessary. This rambling post from Z is essentially incoherent. Pure assertion and avoidance.

Please post the proof for ID or try again in a few years, Z.

 

[stu]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

100% evidence that the the theory of ignorant chance is itself without evidential support.

100% evidence then, an Intelligent Designer could not come about because of any 'theory of ignorant chance'. Things have to have ID.
So what ID was it that designed the Intelligent Designer?

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from stu:

So you are saying it would be a stretch to believe an Intelligent Designer could come about from nothing ?

Quite a stretch! When considering such heady topics as this, it's all a stretch. It's fairly obvious to me that both arguing parties have elements of the truth. Evolution exists, that is fact. A creator exists in some form. That is fact. I know one will argue that evolution can be proven by science and a creator cannot be proven by science. My argument would be our existence is proof of a creator. Who/what created the creator? Who knows?

 

[Teleologist]

John Dough wrote:

OK, Z,.....

So, you are going to start referring to me as Z? And this despite the fact that on another thread you said you recognized the difference in style and content between my posts and Z's posts. If you are going to ignore the obvious facts in order to take cheap shots at me then I'm going to ignore you.

 

[stu]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

Quite a stretch! When considering such heady topics as this, it's all a stretch. It's fairly obvious to me that both arguing parties have elements of the truth. Evolution exists, that is fact. A creator exists in some form. That is fact. I know one will argue that evolution can be proven by science and a creator cannot be proven by science. My argument would be our existence is proof of a creator. Who/what created the creator? Who knows?

Santa exists in some form. That is fact. Our existence is proof of Santa ...It doesn't say much does it?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Uhhh, do you know of anyone who suggests that Santa Clause is the designing intelligence behind life itself?

Why is it stu, that whenever an intelligence that could have created life is discussed, you always bring forth St. Nick?

Quote from stu:

Santa exists in some form. That is fact. Our existence is proof of Santa ...It doesn't say much does it?

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from stu:

Santa exists in some form. That is fact. Our existence is proof of Santa ...It doesn't say much does it?

Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're mad at the creator. Are you disappointed that our creator doesn't behave like Santa? Too many believers, former believers, and outright non-believers get mad when their personal wish list doesn't come to be. Their rebellion is then to deny the existance of the creator.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

"So what ID was it that designed the Intelligent Designer?"

Doesn't matter as far as the topic goes, now does it stu?

After all, the issue is not the "creator" of ID, but ID vs. non ID.

Try again stu...

Quote from stu:

100% evidence then, an Intelligent Designer could not come about because of any 'theory of ignorant chance'. Things have to have ID.
So what ID was it that designed the Intelligent Designer?

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

"So what ID was it that designed the Intelligent Designer?"

Doesn't matter as far as the topic goes, now does it stu?

After all, the issue is not the "creator" of ID, but ID vs. non ID.

Try again stu...

Oh my God... does anyone take these people seriously??

What unbelievable hypocrisy, pretending that the word Intelligent in ID does not refer to a creator. Even after the ID manifesto was published and the posted here.

This is pure ZZZzzzzzzz.

These people are selling out their own beliefs to score a debating point. Shows you what those beliefs are worth.