Deep backwardation in T-Bonds?

Quote from granville:
I've noticed that when the yield curve is inverted, that the t-bill futures chain also inverts (goes into contango).

Why is this?
I have never looked at t-bill futures... As far as I know, there's no liquidity in them, so I never had any reason to care about the way the rolls are in those.
 
Quote from Martinghoul:

I have never looked at t-bill futures... As far as I know, there's no liquidity in them, so I never had any reason to care about the way the rolls are in those.

Edit: T-Note futures! Big difference.
 
Quote from granville:
Edit: T-Note futures! Big difference.
Ah, in that case I think I have responded already... No such thing as contango/backwardation in them. The concept is meaningless, since the CTD and, indeed, the whole basket can change when the front contract rolls.
 
Before having any deep thoughts:

(a) Learn about repo market and how forward price of the bond is calculated from the current price and a repo rate

(b) Learn and understand the concept of delivery basket, different kinds of CTD optionality and how that effects pricing

Assuming you have a source for consistent bond and bond futures prices, you can easily model the basis, including the optionality in the basis. There are a number of ways to look at the basis in relative value terms, all of them with their own merits and shortcomings.

(c) Once you got the two concepts above up and running, modelling and understanding the relative value in the rolls is not that hard.
 
Quote from sle:

Before having any deep thoughts:

(a) Learn about repo market and how forward price of the bond is calculated from the current price and a repo rate

(b) Learn and understand the concept of delivery basket, different kinds of CTD optionality and how that effects pricing

Assuming you have a source for consistent bond and bond futures prices, you can easily model the basis, including the optionality in the basis. There are a number of ways to look at the basis in relative value terms, all of them with their own merits and shortcomings.

(c) Once you got the two concepts above up and running, modelling and understanding the relative value in the rolls is not that hard.
+1 and amen to that... And, as usual, I would suggest Burghardt's "Treasury Bond Basis" as the one and only starting point.
 
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