Debtors prison returns!

oldtime · Jan 2, 2012

i know, but it would be nice if you got forclosed on that at least they would let you live in jail until you could get back on your feet and find a place to live. It shouldn't be mandatory, but it could be a compassionate option.

peilthetraveler · Jan 2, 2012

Quote from high99:

Failing to pay a debt is a civil matter. Not a crime. The loan was made willingly by both parties. If it is not repaid per the terms, then the lender can obtain relief via the terms spelled out for a default. So cut the crap scare tactics. As stated before they are talking about contempt of court for failing to appear. Nobody will spend hard time incarcerated for contempt. Regarding selling your car, TV, or family dog to pay back a couple of grand, it won't work. These basic types of assets are exempt and cannot be forced to liquidate. This sensationalist "news" came out last year and promptly died. This post is a waste of time and nothing more than recycled Bull Shit.

I'm not saying they should be "forced" to sell their car, tv, or family dog...but they shouldnt claim they have no money and we are supposed to feel sorry for them if they do have those things.

For instance...lets scale it up a bit and I will show you what I mean. Lets say instead of $2k, I borrow $5 million from you. You come to collect, but I say I dont have any money because I've spent it on a van gogh painting, a ferrari and a new house. Now should people feel sorry for me because I can't pay you because i "dont have any money"? No they shouldnt. I should sell my assets of my own free will and pay what I owe to you.

Also the article states they are going to jail for not paying their court ordered payments, not just being a no show in court. $2k is not alot of money. If you have cable TV, you are probably spending $100 per month on it. You shouldnt be sitting around watching TV anyway if you owe someone money. You should spend that time working a part time job to pay what you owe. You spent the money, now work to pay it back.

denner · Jan 3, 2012

Quote from peilthetraveler:

Put me on ignore if you dont like my posts then you freaking moron. Stop whining like a little girl. Sheesh, it a wonder you ever learned to use a computer.

Nah, I'm not going to put you on ignore. I'll continue to call out your stupidity when I see fit.

Scataphagos · Jan 3, 2012

Quote from peilthetraveler:

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...on-agencies-now-want-deadbeats-172417607.html

As if life wasn't already tense enough for Americans who can't pay their debts, collection agencies are now taking advantage of archaic state laws to have some debtors arrested and sent to jail.

More than one-third of US states allow debtors to be arrested and jailed, says Jessica Silver-Greenberg in the Wall Street Journal.

Judges typically grant arrest warrants when the debtors have failed to show up for court dates or failed to make court-ordered payments.

Of course, the reason debtors have failed to make court-ordered payments is often the same reason they didn't pay their debts in the first place: They don't have any money.

In September, a 53 year-old woman named Vivian Joy was stopped for a broken tail-light in Champaign, Illinois. And then, because the cops discovered that she still hadn't paid $2,200 to a collection agency, she was cuffed and carted off to jail.

Joy's excuse?

She doesn't have any money.

Jailing debtors for not paying their debts is apparently especially popular in Illinois.

Such a lousy excuse that she doesnt have money. She obvious had money to have a car. She had money to fill up the gas tank. She had money to pay car insurance.

Maybe she should finish that sentence and she should say that she doesnt have any money because she doesnt want to downgrade her lifestyle. Sell the car and she no longer has to pay for gas, insurance, car payments and she could pay her debt in a few months, but she didn't want to do that.

Now if somebody REALLY doesnt have any money as in they cant even afford electricity in their home, gas, no car, no cable TV, no internet, then yeah, those people shouldnt have to go to jail. But if you have any "luxuries" then send them to jail if they dont pay because they are spending YOUR money on themselves!

ABSOFRICKINLUTELY! Pay your debts or go to jail.

Can't afford food? The just DIE and do society a favor. Being a parasite is an injustice to society.

Before you lame-ass Socialists rag on my post... I'm a Darwinist.. "survival of the fittest"... provide for yourself or perish. Nobody "deserves" to be a parasite/burden upon others.

oldtime · Jan 3, 2012

Quote from denner:

Nah, I'm not going to put you on ignore. I'll continue to call out your stupidity when I see fit.

now let's see the judging

5-3
5-2
5-0

In a unanimous decision this bout goes to denner

denner, I know you must be excited about your victory, will there be rematch?

oldtime · Jan 3, 2012

Quote from Scataphagos:

ABSOFRICKINLUTELY! Pay your debts or go to jail.

Can't afford food? The just DIE and do society a favor. Being a parasite is an injustice to society.

Before you lame-ass Socialists rag on my post... I'm a Darwinist.. "survival of the fittest"... provide for yourself or perish. Nobody "deserves" to be a parasite/burden upon others.

I can't afford to buy food, but I'm very good at stealing it. You got a job that makes you money to buy food? That's cool. My job is to steal it while you're working. Hey man, no right or wrong, no foul, survival of the fittest, and when push comes to shove I'm pretty sure I am more fit than you.

oldtime · Jan 3, 2012

Quote from Scataphagos:

ABSOFRICKINLUTELY! Pay your debts or go to jail.

Can't afford food? The just DIE and do society a favor. Being a parasite is an injustice to society.

Before you lame-ass Socialists rag on my post... I'm a Darwinist.. "survival of the fittest"... provide for yourself or perish. Nobody "deserves" to be a parasite/burden upon others.

by the time I'm done chipping away at you, every last penny you make will go to paying your police force and military to protect you from me. And without all your money you won't have much power will you?

Scataphagos · Jan 3, 2012

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... Nobody "deserves" to be a parasite/burden upon others.

Nobody, not even those born in America, was born with a "silver spoon in their ass"... Provide for yourself or do society a favor and put a bullet through your head. America/The World... does not need nor benefit from your being a parasite on society.

denner · Jan 3, 2012

Quote from Scataphagos:

Nobody, not even those born in America, was born with a "silver spoon in their ass"... Provide for yourself or do society a favor and put a bullet through your head. America/The World... does not need nor benefit from your being a parasite on society.

I'm on board with alot of your slogans, but you seem to get carried away. There is a world of difference between those who suck on the government tit via welfare, food stamps, Section 8 housing, etc, etc...and say the working poor who get shafted by the gigantic "stealth tax" of inflation and other offshoots of this broken economy.

Think about it for a minute. Those who are likely to get caught up in something like this would not be those who've been wards of the state, they would be people on the downside of the middle/lower classes falling into unmanageable debts. The parasites already have their Medicaid, their welfare, their free food; they aren't the victims/perps in this scenario.

Scataphagos · Jan 3, 2012

Quote from denner:

I'm on board with alot of your slogans, but you seem to get carried away. There is a world of difference between those who suck on the government tit via welfare, food stamps, Section 8 housing, etc, etc...and say the working poor who get shafted by the gigantic "stealth tax" of inflation and other offshoots of this broken economy.

Think about it for a minute. Those who are likely to get caught up in something like this would not be those who've been wards of the state, they would be people on the downside of the middle/lower classes falling into unmanageable debts. The parasites already have their Medicaid, their welfare, their free food; they aren't the victims/perps in this scenario.

I'm a Darwinist... couldn't care less about those who "can't or won't". No excuses. "Provide for yourself or perish". NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT HE PROVIDES FOR HIMSELF. NOBODY IS "ENTITLED" TO BE A BURDEN TO SOCIETY... EVEN IF HE WAS BORN IN AMERICA!

(And yes, I abide by my own credo... when I run out of money and could become a burden to society, I'll "do the right thing" and off myself.)

I ain't asking SHIT from nobody... nor do I deserve such. By the same token, I resent being asked/required to pay for/subsidize those who can't/won't.