Debtor prisons are back

[logic_man]

Quote from number22:

There are many good reason why debtor prison are abolished before. Religious nuts and imbecile would never study it before commenting.

All debt have risk, including US government debt, creditor has responsibility only give out creditworthy debts. There are hidden agendas to host tax payers worldwide to pay bad debts.

Police and court system getting paid to stuff people in its jail.

Ah, the old "you don't know what my arguments in favor of my position are" gambit, combined with a little "conspiracy theory" twist.

Boring.

Sorry, I will side with Nietzsche's approach (debtors' prisons are fine because the punishment fits the crime) over yours. I think he was just a little bit more knowledgeable about history and human nature than you.

 

[tradin4profits]

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

Guess you've never had someone magically declare you owed them something until it was turned over to a collections agency.

facts:
1) I never got the bills they claimed they sent.
2) Never heard about the supposed debt until contacted by the collection agency. By that time the charges for non payment were 3-4x the original bill.
3) I paid in full to the collection agency that day on the phone just to stop it from getting worse. I can just imagne if I didn't get the court notice to appear for a bill I never (knowingly) agreed to (nor disclosed in any way), never got.

This was a result of a medical bill.
The problem is you get bills from people you never met, never were told would be doing work on your behalf etc etc.

When I take my car in for repairs I get one bill not:
1) separate bills from the mechanic
2) parts store
3) parts store driver
4) junk yard consult
5) some photographer
6) oil technician analysis

I have had that happen to me before but when you hear from the collection agency if you owe the bill pay it...if you dont, then make them prove you do . It's really a simple matter.

 

[number22]

Quote from logic_man:

Ah, the old "you don't know what my arguments in favor of my position are" gambit, combined with a little "conspiracy theory" twist.

Hey douchbag, when companies rack up bad debts and go chapter 11, should company's directors go to prisons? or should tax payer to pay for its debts? where is your logic?

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from number22:



Police and court system getting paid to stuff people in its jail.

We see far too much of that with drug courts, testing , parole etc etc.


Drugs are a big money maker and excuse for law enforcement police state attitude towards citizens.

 

[logic_man]

Quote from number22:

Hey douchbag, when companies rack up bad debts and go chapter 11, should company's directors go to prisons? or should tax payer to pay for its debts? where is your logic?

Bankruptcy is a completely separate topic. Try to stay focused, OK?

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from tradin4profits:

I have had that happen to me before but when you hear from the collection agency if you owe the bill pay it...if you dont, then make them prove you do . It's really a simple matter.

I paid it, but of course I was padding the collection companies coffers which really wasn't my responsibility. I probably should have paid the biller directly but it was under $300 which was easy for me to pay but not everybody can afford to look at 300$ as petty cash.

 

[jaley]

Debtor's prisons prey on basic human instinct of one group, while benefiting the carnal desires of another group. There will always be many people that will fall prey to greed over logic. The lender is also being greedy, looking to make a profit off money with no risk. The most logical solution is to not give something away if you don't want to risk losing it.

This is really what Christianity is about. The old, barbaric, "eye for an eye" vs. intelligence, compassion, and trying to help mankind overcome their problems. Unfortunately, many people today have been taught that the Bible is a literal history book where God is going to come and save them, instead being taught as a work of spirituality/philosophy. Ancient peoples were just as intelligent as we are today, and some of them are regarded as the most brilliant philosophers in we know.

 

[piezoe]

Quote from Spiker:

Oldtime. . . . will they imprison me when the US defaults on its loan obligations , even though i dont owe anyone any money ? If not , who will they imprison ?
Please take me fishing with you..

The U.S. can never default on its loan obligations. It can always pay, but perhaps with worthless money.

 

[PARACLESE]

Quote from logic_man:

They're not "working for free", they're "working to pay back what they owe".

Last I checked, the history books didn't mention that slaves had borrowed any money from the masters for whom they toiled and thus hadn't incurred any obligations to their masters. This woman did. So, unless you have some super-secret history book which states otherwise, your moralistic diatribe comparing her situation to slavery is completely irrelevant.

I've noticed lately that a lot of people "know" things I don't know. That the things they "know" happen to be completely false doesn't seem to stop them from claiming to "know" them. Odd, but I put up with it because it seems to be endemic to the times and I don't get paid to correct every mistaken notion that crops up in some fool's head.

I guess youve never heard of a serf, huh, logic-man

 

[logic_man]

Quote from PARACLESE:

I guess youve never heard of a serf, huh, logic-man

First someone brings up bankruptcy and now you're bringing up serfs?

Hey, the topic is DEADBEAT DEBTORS, OK?