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Dear President Bush
- Thread starter JayS
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We are like greedy kids.
We saw a cool treehouse.
It was inhabited!!!
We kick the indians out of the treehouse (killed em actually).
Then once we get in and everything is set how we want. We set up immigration laws that make it very difficult for anyone else to come up to the treehouse.
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When the slaughter of the indians is brought to our attention, our generation always takes no responsibility blaming it on the forefathers mistakes.
I beleive that for the good of all humanity and to do things right with respect to all generations past and present, we should approach the situation of immigration with humility.
So far, we are just conquerers with respect to america. We deserve it because we conquered it from the indians.
So, we should cut all the economic bullshit. And all the bullshit about our forefathers working hard to make this country what it is today.
For that matter, this treehouse looked alot better when the Indians had it. We just used and abused the land, giving nothing back.
Most of our forefathers would probably roll in their grave if they saw the average american today. Even as conquerers, we have become lazy. All the great conquerers eventually lose in battle. It will just be a matter of time.
We saw a cool treehouse.
It was inhabited!!!
We kick the indians out of the treehouse (killed em actually).
Then once we get in and everything is set how we want. We set up immigration laws that make it very difficult for anyone else to come up to the treehouse.
...................
When the slaughter of the indians is brought to our attention, our generation always takes no responsibility blaming it on the forefathers mistakes.
I beleive that for the good of all humanity and to do things right with respect to all generations past and present, we should approach the situation of immigration with humility.
So far, we are just conquerers with respect to america. We deserve it because we conquered it from the indians.
So, we should cut all the economic bullshit. And all the bullshit about our forefathers working hard to make this country what it is today.
For that matter, this treehouse looked alot better when the Indians had it. We just used and abused the land, giving nothing back.
Most of our forefathers would probably roll in their grave if they saw the average american today. Even as conquerers, we have become lazy. All the great conquerers eventually lose in battle. It will just be a matter of time.
Quote from Ricter:
So, what's the first falsehood or spin you spotted in that article?
Uhh.. I think it's obvious but for those who are totally clueless...
if you go through the site it becomes clear that it's propaganda.
Something about bush plotting to assasinate the president of Venezuela???
Come on now...
Quote from lundy:
We are like greedy kids.
We saw a cool treehouse.
It was inhabited!!!
We kick the indians out of the treehouse (killed em actually).
Then once we get in and everything is set how we want. We set up immigration laws that make it very difficult for anyone else to come up to the treehouse.
...................
When the slaughter of the indians is brought to our attention, our generation always takes no responsibility blaming it on the forefathers mistakes.
I beleive that for the good of all humanity and to do things right with respect to all generations past and present, we should approach the situation of immigration with humility.
So far, we are just conquerers with respect to america. We deserve it because we conquered it from the indians.
So, we should cut all the economic bullshit. And all the bullshit about our forefathers working hard to make this country what it is today.
For that matter, this treehouse looked alot better when the Indians had it. We just used and abused the land, giving nothing back.
Most of our forefathers would probably roll in their grave if they saw the average american today. Even as conquerers, we have become lazy. All the great conquerers eventually lose in battle. It will just be a matter of time.
Do you realize this kind of stuff has been going on for thousands of years. It was a dog eat dog world back in the day. If you couldn't organize and protect your own land then you lost it. Simple. Is it right by today's standards? Of course not. But that's how the world formed.
That's just the way it was back then. You can't uproot and ask everyone today to pay for what happened back then. Things have settled, we've become modern, there are laws in place. This stuff more or less doesn't happen anymore.
Basing immigration law on the past "mistakes" is ridiculous. You should be basing the law on the present society that we live in TODAY. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Quote from trada101:
Uhh.. I think it's obvious but for those who are totally clueless...
if you go through the site it becomes clear that it's propaganda.
Something about bush plotting to assassinate the president of Venezuela???
Come on now...
bush plotting to assassinate shavez? how can they be that gullable?! bush loves shavez and loves his refusal to sell his national resources to the u.s.
the u.s. has a very shiny past in latin america..especially in dealing with democratically elected presidents. ask henry Kissinger if you do not belive me.
LOL
Quote from kissanmakeup:
thank god someone is asking that question! what is my solution? do you really want to know?
an european union type of a deal. after the collapse of the soviet union, the rich european states HAD to welcome all of the newly, yet bankrupt states (romania, hungary, bulgaria, estonia, lithuania, latvia and others) into their fold. the result was the benefit of everyone. cheap labor, innovations, raw material and geographical size.
and just before you go 'ahuh, i got the wetback', if you think of proposing NAFTA is achieving that, i'll tell you to shove it up your arse.
you are refusing to accept the european union example cause you want to have the cake and eat it too. does not work amigo. your corporation which elected your leadership to IMPOSE NAFTA destroyed my farm and now i am in your back yard. your corporations which elected your leadership to IMPOSE NAFTA imposed Tariffs on me while heavily subsidizing your Tyson corporation to sell their plastic chicken at the fraction of the price that it will cost me to raise a real chicken.
The EU is a weak attempt to create the same dual sovereignty that has existed in the USA since the enactment of our Constitution. What is lacking is the agreement between the European "states" to have only one military force, and that the EU constitution is much more limited than the U.S. Federal government is, in its ability to enforce its laws among the several states.
So, if this is what you advocate for the U.S. and Latin America, it can be achieved very simply (at least theoretically) in one of two ways:
1. The Latin American nations can all request to be join the United States of America as new states.
2. The U.S. can take all of the Latin American nations by force.
There's just one problem -- no of the Latin American nation has the slightest interest in becoming part of the United States. The leaders of the various Latin American nations are for the most part, quite happy exploiting their own people. I serious doubt than any of those countries would jump at the opportunity to replace their poorly written legal systems with one as sophisticated and comprehensive as exists in the U.S. If they did, most of the opportunites for internal explotation would disappear.
But, hey, if you can convince Latin America to become part of the U.S., the I'm all for it.
When will you start your international campaign?
Quote from kjkent1:
The EU is a weak attempt to create the same dual sovereignty that has existed in the USA since the enactment of our Constitution. What is lacking is the agreement between the European "states" to have only one military force, and that the EU constitution is much more limited than the U.S. Federal government is, in its ability to enforce its laws among the several states.
So, if this is what you advocate for the U.S. and Latin America, it can be achieved very simply (at least theoretically) in one of two ways:
1. The Latin American nations can all request to be join the United States of America as new states.
2. The U.S. can take all of the Latin American nations by force.
There's just one problem -- no of the Latin American nation has the slightest interest in becoming part of the United States. The leaders of the various Latin American nations are for the most part, quite happy exploiting their own people. I serious doubt than any of those countries would jump at the opportunity to replace their poorly written legal systems with one as sophisticated and comprehensive as exists in the U.S. If they did, most of the opportunites for internal explotation would disappear.
But, hey, if you can convince Latin America to become part of the U.S., the I'm all for it.
When will you start your international campaign?
just one small question, why is it that we have to adopt to the u.s. federal's constitution? last time i looked, the europeans, each on his own, have compromised so that all could reach a common ground acceptable to all. it was a very comprehensive program that covered everything pretraining to their relationship.
you are not the center of the universe.
Quote from kissanmakeup:
just one small question, why is it that we have to adopt to the u.s. federal's constitution? last time i looked, the europeans, each on his own, have compromised so that all could reach a common ground acceptable to all. it was a very comprehensive program that covered everything pretraining to their relationship.
you are not the center of the universe.
With the EU they had the 3 major founding countries that were well developed (Germany, UK, and France) and pretty much equivalent. So they had to compromise.
With the US and Latin America this is not the case. It doesn't matter anyway since this is not gonna happen.
Latin American countries should start a Latin Union and show the world they can make it.
Quote from kissanmakeup:
just one small question, why is it that we have to adopt to the u.s. federal's constitution? last time i looked, the europeans, each on his own, have compromised so that all could reach a common ground acceptable to all. it was a very comprehensive program that covered everything pretraining to their relationship.
you are not the center of the universe.
Well, I think you need to look again, because as I understand it, a number of EU nations are having quite a bit of difficulty with issues, such as electrical power generation and whether a foreign corporation should be permitted to own generation in a sister state.
Under the U.S. Constitution, the Federal Government would have absolute authority, backed ultimately by the power of the military to resolve and enforce a solution to this sort of problem. Howeer, under the EU Constitution, there is no means of actually resolving this sort of contentious issue. The various European nations are still very far apart in their interests, and no individual nation is likely to permit any other nation or private party to gain control over another nation's internal affairs.
So, the short answer, is that the U.S. Constitution is objectively, a superior legal document to the EU Constitution.
However, I submit that neither Constitution would satisfy the Latin American nations, most of which remain under some sort of authoritarian control -- either fascist or socialist.
Which brings us back to the original problem. You are selling the idea the the EU Constitution could work in the Western Hemisphere. I don't think that the EU Constitution is objectively demonstrated to work in Europe as of yet, so I can't imagine why we would want to try it on this side of the Atlantic without giving it another 100 years to so to determine whether it has any survival power.
In short, if any Latin American nation with natural resources or strategic location, really wanted to join the U.S. (and, not some small island, like Puerto Rico), I'm fairly certain that the U.S. Congress and the President would seriously consider the matter.
But, there's not the slightest evidence that this is the case, and in fact, even you view the NAFTA attempt at cooperation as a fraud. So I'm wondering why you think something more comprehensive than NAFTA, but less comprehensive than the U.S. Constitution is the logical solution?
The EU Constitution is just not all that terrific that anyone should be waving it around as the solution to humanities problems. Maybe 100 years from now, I'd have a different opinion -- but, certainly not today.