Day trading is losers game

Pick up the stone to your left after hitting you in the head..there may be some blood left ☺

ES

Quote from oilfxpro:

I am working on getting blood out of a stone , it is not impossible.
 
What is up with this site lately? So many negative nellies. You try and encourage people by relating your own experiences of struggle and then success and all they want to do is slam you.

IF YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE TRADING, OR DON'T BELIEVE IT'S POSSIBLE, THEN GO FIND A NEW WEBSITE THAT SUITS YOUR NEW GOALS.

Simple. :)

Quote from Neenisti:

I guess we are in the 5% crowd that have succeeded and didn't give up.
Crappy day in Crude oil and I can still say I have made more than the the highest paid construction worker in NY for a days work.
No offense Hood, patience is a virtue. Some people weren't meant to trade.
 
I never said it was not possible to make money out of trading , just agreed with the sentiment on many threads , the odds are stacked against day trading.

Swing and position trading is different , there are many profitable strategies , without the usual crap like stops etc.
 
Quote from ElectricSavant:

Pick up the stone to your left after hitting you in the head..there may be some blood left ☺

ES

It is all possible to get blood out of a stone then.
 
Quote from intradaybill:

Some facts I have realized in my 20 years of trading:

(1) Day trading is competing directly with market makers. Guess who is going to lose at the end? That does not mean that some people will not make it but the probability of not being you is very high.

Yes thats true, this is why I have always believed that its not possible to daytrade and make money in very efficient markets (which will inevitably be infested with bots/HFTs/etc). However this does not mean that every market/instrument is efficient, there will always be loopholes and opportunities, I arb'ed the crap out of such a "loophole" for over 4 years before too many market participants found out about it, but I already made a bundle from it so I am moving on to look for other opportunities in other markets/instruments.

Imo betting on direction for any instrument intraday is suicide, no egde will compensate any trader for taking intraday directional risk because the market is random (and more so in the very short run!), the odds of any trader winning is much less than 50% after accounting for trading cost.
 
Quote from oilfxpro:

I never said it was not possible to make money out of trading , just agreed with the sentiment on many threads , the odds are stacked against day trading.

Swing and position trading is different , there are many profitable strategies , without the usual crap like stops etc.

It is not about odds. It is about professional abilities to do certain kind of things...

And I am very concerned about your words of strategies "without crap like stops"... It is very dangerous to think longer-term trades do not need stops... They probably need them more than day trades do, because you keep them overnight.
 
number 1 enemy in trading is to overtrade, which leads to take less quality setup and easy to abandon money management.

based on my own experience, the biggest winners usually takes about 2 weeks to 3 months.

trade less and honor stops ($100 per $5000 trade). Don't move stops, rather focus on getting the entry correct (by reading bid/ask).

trading is very simple, I realized it after losing more than 100k and 6 years frustration.

Quote from oilfxpro:

There are so many threads negative about day trading , it was time to ask why is there no successful day trader in the popularity of George Sorros , Jim Symons etc.

Trading is a zero sum game and day trading is a negative sum game.The only people making money out of it is brokers.

If it was profitable to day trade , brokers would hire people to trade with broker's capital.

A few internet marketeers are selling motoring , under the guise of successful day trading , but these are just scams.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=220707

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=220676

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=218977

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=220513

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=218160
 
sounds like the post of somebody who lost a lot of money. if trading isn't for you, trading isn't for you, but there's a lot of good opportunities out there and you shouldn't act like day-trading is impossible. trading = zero sum game? day trading = negative sum game? come on man. You're just pissed off because you don't have the discipline to come up with your own system when you were looking for 100% returns.
 
The odds are only stacked against people who don't have the time and/or the discipline to devote to learning how to trade. Once you learn even a basic approach and can show that you have the discipline to trade it properly, you can then build upon that basic system and have great success.

It does take time, and probably more time than most think it will when they enter the trading arena.

Quote from oilfxpro:

I never said it was not possible to make money out of trading , just agreed with the sentiment on many threads , the odds are stacked against day trading.

 
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