Day trading difficulties

Quote from oilfxpro:

I did thousands of back tests on day trading systems , not one back test showed profitability over 10 years.

The only systems that worked profitably , were on longer time frames with stops between 45 to 100 pips , and on targets of 100 to 250 pips.

Just for the record.

Forex is a zero-sum game.
 
Quote from Handle123:

In the last 30 years, there have been a few books written by actual traders on how they trade, and guess what, after the book comes out, their great method takes a crap, and why? Cause the world knows the method. But what books have often given me is other ideas to test, and your testing can lead you in right directions. Almost any book written that has actual rules for enter can produce positive profits, however, much more generally has to be added in terms of money management rules to make them more profitable.


daytrading is zero-sum. no wonder.
 
Quote from oilfxpro:


Trading is a zero sum game , if you have a 20 pip stop and 20 pip target , trader will lose as a result of the spread and commission and incompetence.If trader is competent ,he will lose on a 20 pip target and stop loss as result of spreads and commissions.Only way he can beat the market is by getting a high success rate of 60 to 70 % .It is difficult to tell direction short term on intra-day basis.

Take a look at 6 year back test below .Stop is 20 and target is 22 , result is loss 1640 after 1402 trades, using a 30 pip move in one direction.

One of the ways to beat the market day trading is through martingale type (not martingale itself)position sizing , using 50 /50 success rate set ups, and recovering previous losses through a sophisticated betting method , a method which can survive 75 consecutive losses

This in theory works and by using it , day trading can be very profitable.
 
Quote from Handle123:

In the last 30 years, there have been a few books written by actual traders on how they trade, and guess what, after the book comes out, their great method takes a crap, and why? Cause the world knows the method. But what books have often given me is other ideas to test, and your testing can lead you in right directions. Almost any book written that has actual rules for enter can produce positive profits, however, much more generally has to be added in terms of money management rules to make them more profitable.


Market conditions change over time , making existing methods systems redundant , as a result old methods systems need fine tuning.
 
Gann“The big money is made in the big trends.”New traders should consider this truth carefully.
Day trading provides the least return for your time and investment.One of the big drawbacks to day-trading is the profit potential is limited. There is only so much movement in one day which means there is only so much profit potential. also take into account , the fact that during intra day trading, the vast majority of the profits are made in a disproportionately small amount of time.To make enough money to cover your trading expenses (software, data, education, etc.) by day-trading, you have to trade size. It is hardly worth your time and expense day-trading just two or three futures contracts, even if you have a very high win rate.

Day trading forex is difficult because there are real supply demand transactions , news flow , economic transactions of governments, speculators and manipulation with intent to rewind money at a later period. The inconvenient truth here is that prices within a day move mostly randomly.We identify patterns where none exist in a pool of random.

Livermore. . . the big money was not in the individual fluctuations but in the main movements—that is, not in reading the tape but in sizing up the entire market and its trend.He also states:
It was never my thinking that made money for me. It was always
my sitting. Got that? My sitting tight! . . . Men who can be both
right and sit tight are uncommon.Livermore’s trading dramatically improved when he effectively abandoned his focus on intraday noise and began to concentrate on aligning his individual stock positions with the broader market’s trend.
 
Quote from failed_trad3r:

Forex is a zero-sum game.
Quote from failed_trad3r:

daytrading is zero-sum. no wonder.

Really sorry for your personal experience.
But I guess there is no other need in trying to make said personal experience into
a universal truth, than trying to justify for yourself what you express through your own forum name.
Understandable, but not really a reliable opinion.
 
Quote from pescador:

Really sorry for your personal experience.
But I guess there is no other need in trying to make said personal experience into
a universal truth, than trying to justify for yourself what you express through your own forum name.
Understandable, but not really a reliable opinion.

it is not opinion, it is fact.
 
Quote from oilfxpro:


Day trading forex is difficult because there are real supply demand transactions , news flow , economic transactions of governments, speculators and manipulation with intent to rewind money at a later period. The inconvenient truth here is that prices within a day move mostly randomly.We identify patterns where none exist in a pool of random.

[/B]

The fist sentence is true for all markets, those factors contribute to an active market :).

Prices may very well tend to move randomly but traders entering and exiting the market with urgency (be it technical or simply for business reasons) distort the more or less smooth flow. The prices then deviate from the imaginary mean and create opportunities for other traders whose work recognizes these points as the end of a move or just the beginning of a larger scale move:).

In general it is not a good idea to tackle any challenging activity with an attitude that it can not be done.

Modern markets are a miracle.
We are given unlimited quantities of information and price information, education, free or cheaply, delivered quickly, trade with minimal(in historic terms) commissions to compete with other humans (including inexperienced ones).

Because of the depth of participation in many many instruments the emotional human footprint is present and very repetitious. It just depends on the skill and personal set of traits of the individual trader to take advantage of the patterns that present themselves as a result of the activity of emotional other humans:)

cheers,

bc
 
It looks to me, that OP's problem is more methodology related, than psychological. System is not clear enough to be just followed and yield money over time, hence the stress....

It often seems that problem is your emotions, but sometimes, emotions are just trying to tell you something, like that you do not understand your own trading method well enough or it has some flaws...
 
Back
Top