Day trading difficulties

one good thing about reversals,if you buy/sell at a s/r line,you know right away,in trend following,if you get in the middle of a trend,it can pull back and shake you out before continuing
 
Quote from ammo:

one good thing about reversals,if you buy/sell at a s/r line,you know right away,in trend following,if you get in the middle of a trend,it can pull back and shake you out before continuing

Confirmed reversals at trend lines with bullish/bearish reversals with price momentum of 1/3 daily range are higher probability trades.
 
Quote from oilfxpro:

I just thought I would try some day trading and develop some strategies for day trading , and also develop some mechanical automated strategies.It has taken me off track.

If your goal is to be profitable...that should be motivation enough by itself to "get back on track" and go back to something that you said "I would be making a load of money in forex".

Simply, if it ain't broke...don't fix it.

Last of all, thanks for the chart that shows some "market context"...too many traders get tunnel vision on their trade signals and forget about what's really moving the markets. Thus, understanding market context is one of the few reasons behind longevity in this business.

Mark
 
Quote from oilfxpro:

Books are mainly written by people who do not trade and have never been successful at trading.It is often difficult to believe and follow everything you read , until it is proven and verified in the trader's mind.

My only grudge against authors of t/a books and snake oil salesman , is why didn't they help prepare for trend failures and fakes.What if a book title said " 50 % of trends fail , prepare yourself for trend failures and all trends fail eventually".
An author says 50 % of trends fail , would you bother buying his book on t/a.Why not just toss a coin for 50/50? 50 % of what t/a authors write is rubbish and does not always work .It may work sometimes , but you can put your cash on it, the author would rather take your money in books.

In the last 30 years, there have been a few books written by actual traders on how they trade, and guess what, after the book comes out, their great method takes a crap, and why? Cause the world knows the method. But what books have often given me is other ideas to test, and your testing can lead you in right directions. Almost any book written that has actual rules for enter can produce positive profits, however, much more generally has to be added in terms of money management rules to make them more profitable.

The hugest problem with "general" public purchasing books and methods is they are believeing it is the end all and it never has to be "tweaked". General public buys all of this cause they do not have to ability to design methods that work, but I have uncovered maybe 2-3 methods thru the past 15 years that consistently make money off the "shelf" that make new equity highs, but all have huge drawdowns. There are constant trade-offs.

Depending on method and timeframe, I don't have much patience of a trade that doesn't go in my direction rather quickly, but that is how I tested that method. My winning trades allow me to enter and go in the direction I entered, if price just sits there, after so many bars or time or speed or distance, I will lock in one tic or my new target is entry price.

I trade off a 60 minute chart doing counter-trend trades, so when a trade is setting up on the 60M and I have a trade on smaller timeframe, I will reverse, but the 60M takes president and for the next hour or so much distance, I will not trade against the 60M. So between trendlines on the 60M, I will take both buys/sells on smaller timeframe.

One topic that does not come up much is strength of trendline, I like to use 23 which means 23 bars before/after have lower highs for a pivot high, opposite for pivot lows. I always start a trendline from these on the 60M and preferable draw to another 23 pivot and enter on next touch of this trendline. I also use Volume in longer timeframes, want to see declining Vol as price rises and accumulation on declines.

Enclosed chart are "some" examples how I use the 60M chart, strength of Trendlines, Volume, divergences. And if one notices how often prices that end on "00" often make for great bounces in themseleves.

Indicators are like trendlines, just another tool, I have used them from mid 80's and they are just an easy confirmation, I don't like to buy when market is too high nor sell when market is too weak. We all have our likes and dislikes, amount of patience and years of experience.

Ahh, another two weeks of manual day trading, will be ending at 26 years of looking at tiny bars, going to spend time programming and expanding my longer term trading and spreads, the good life, sipping pina coladas on the beach-like I use to think 26 years ago I could do by 10am, ROFL.

Good Trading all.
 

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Quote from bstay:

what pairs do you trade? it's 2:00amEST now and the start of my trading session. i watched 9 pairs specifically for counter-trend/reversal trades. maybe we can find something on 15mins charts that matched what you do scalping the 1mins?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7St-VekKaoc/TavUkt_FSfI/AAAAAAAAG-Q/O5i7vvV3AQg/s1600/1.png

I trade euro/usd , euro/gbp,gbp usd , usd /yen,eur/yen,gbp/yen,aud,yen , usd /chf,aud/usd .I also trade Dax and crude oil.

I used to trade 1 min but have now moved to 15 min, the 1 min trading catches you out in noise .I really want to go back to fundamentals using daily, 4 hour and 15 min charts trading only in the direction of the fundamental trendline.

I trade 15 min trendline break method , details of which I may post here.

What are the boxes on your charts for and how do you use them?
 
Quote from Handle123:


Ahh, another two weeks of manual day trading, will be ending at 26 years of looking at tiny bars, going to spend time programming and expanding my longer term trading and spreads, the good life, sipping pina coladas on the beach-like I use to think 26 years ago I could do by 10am, ROFL.

Good Trading all.

I have already got 44 automated working systems simultaneously working , the problem is bad market conditions with loads of fake moves and bad news resulting in very low returns in the current financial crisis.

The success you achieve manually , you won't be able to program and match the results.Rule based programs can not include current market sentiment , and the additional discretionary element of manual trades.The program rule based codes can not see what your eyes can see.

I been there.
 
Quote from oilfxpro:
What are the boxes on your charts for and how do you use them?
the blue boxes mark out the asian zone, from 5pmEST to 1amEST. Paris/Frankfurt opens 2amEST and London opens 3amEST. so my boxes ends just couple hours before that. 5pmEST is the usual roll-over/settlement time so i use that instead of Tokyo open. but it doesn't matter as it's just a guide to help me see where the asian zone is.
 
Quote from KDASFTG:

Greetings O,

Let me add my 2 cents into the mix, to give you “something else” you may want to think about. I have stated this same idea before in other threads. The fact that; “trading is a game that takes place inside your head”. Its not you against the market, its just you reflecting who you are in the market. Now before you mentally tune me out, concluding that I’m about to indulge you in some “half baked psychobabble”, please open your mind to hear me out, for I do not intend to go there.

The fact of the matter is that the market just transmits ticks. That’s essentially all it does. The game being played, and the meaning assigned to those ticks resides inside “your” head. So therefore, you don’t see the market as it really is,…but as you really are, which is, the sum total of your own market knowledge and experience at the current moment. What else could it be?

From my perspective, I do not believe that you have a “patience problem” per se. As I see it, you have a consistency problem that is affecting your “patience”. I believe you are allowing what is basically a doable technical analysis risk control problem, to stand in the way of your maintaining the consistency necessary for your success.

As I see it, in your specific case, you have created your game unwittingly, in that you were not cognizant of the consequences of your initial choices for your game, technical or otherwise. You built your method unaware that there were “consequences” to every choice you made. So now, if the game that “you have unwittingly created” confuses you, guess who “built in” that confusion? Remember, the market just transmits ticks. The game you create with those ticks is inside of your head. You see, the confusion is not coming from the market. You created your own market experience by your choices! The market is simply reflecting back to you the consequences of your choices.

But all is not lost. The best part is that, now, being conscious and fully cognizant of the types of choices you make, you can just as easily remove the confusion, doubt, and fear, anytime you desire. Decide right now to improve the quality of your market choices. Right now, you can just as easily say to yourself; “I’m going to create a game that I can win over time, that is easy for me to execute, and that doesn’t confuse me, or engender fear and doubt, in the process”. Notice how an "internal decision" to improve the quality, will now affect the technical choices that you will now make "externally". It comes from within! You are not trying to get something from the market, you resolve to reflect who you are in the market.

As a start, just take a look at the chart “you chose” in your last submission. Since, I believe you are using the “structure of the market” in your decision making, just take a look at what that “structure”, on this chart is "speaking to you" during the day. It is changing its bias and direction so frequently, that, in your own words; "the chart leaves you full of fear, doubt, and indecision". Confident decisionmaking is virtually impossible with this kind of structural basis. Remember, you did this to yourself by the unwitting choices you made when you chose this chart! From what I can see, you have chosen a main action chart, that is “speaking to you” much too often, and in indecisive terms. In one minute, it is telling you that the bias is up, then the next minute, it’s telling you that it is down. I don’t believe that this is a personal problem with your patience. This is a problem with the “market experience” you have unwittingly created for yourself.

As one technical suggestion, in order to improve your market "read", if you were to move this bar chart systematically to an incrementally Higher Time Frame (HTF), I believe a “useable reality” would soon appear. One that provides you with the “read” consistency you desire, and at the same time, provides you with the decisiveness you seek. It will “speak” to you, in a manner that you can readily apply! Then you can use the timeframe that you currently have on this chart for risk mitigation upon entry. But,....you only allow the HTF chart to do the talking to you. The sole purpose of the LTF is for risk mitigation, once the HTF chart has spoken,.....that is it.

In making these types of qualitative improvements, you will have thereby “created” for yourself a consistent game that you can win over time. One that is well within your comfort zone, because you have built “your comfort zone” into the method. Since you will now be decisive, and playing a winning game, the market will merely reflect this fact back to you in the results you seek.

Just my opinion.

KDASFTG

Thanks for the post , I will make the improvement and move to 1 hour charts with entries on lower time frames.There are less trend failures on the hourlies , and signals are clearer.

Thanks for your help.
 
Quote from oilfxpro:
It is really difficult to keep changing biases from long to short , several times a day.
No, this is exactly what you do want.
All you have each trading day are price gyrations represented by swings up and down. From this you can make your money (eg CL).

Self made difficulties arise from wanting to see so-called trends. No one appears to be able to pin down 'trend' except in very general terms which make it irrelevant if not an actual hindrance to clear sightedness. Is it a trend you are expecting for today, yesterday, this week, last week, this month or this year? Or is it an underlying trend from 29 minutes ago or from 1929? So instead the key here psychologically is to have a neutral mindset or train yourself into a neutral mindset and accept without stress what the markets do: price gyrations day after day after day.

Short answer: buy the upswings and sell the downswings. Choose a liquid and volatile market (eg CL) and then devise or adopt a reliable methodology to take net gains from the intraday swings.
:)
 
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