Data to support the theory that America is a White Supremacist Country

I stated that I am respectful when respected; and vice versa. What is contrary to that? My response was to your post addresses how I signified against @gaussian . Now, below, you're mysteriously discussing something totally different.

You can never stay focused. You continually change the debate once you have no rebuttal.

There was no rebuttal you could make to me stating I give what I get. So you've expanded the original debate regarding my response to guassian's insults, into being about how I debate.



I don't obfuscate; you just confuse yourself. I also ask for people to clarify themselves, if that's what you're referring to. Give an example of where I've obfuscated. It is senseless to debate general allegations. Present your evidence.

Without more, I simply must deny your overlybroad, general, unspecific allegation.

Ok, you don't do anything I said. Any evidence I present is just going to be argued (to death) by you. Frankly, as with almost all conversations with you, there is no value in that.


Show me where I did this.

This again.


Again, it silly to debate general allegations, but nevertheless:

So, let me get this straight.

You're saying that when I'm accused of saying something that I assert I didn't say; I ask, "where did I say that?"

So instead of trying to understand why you believe that I said something I didn't, I should just start rephrasing what I said, in the hopes that'll you eventually understand, after however many attempts it'll take for me to guess what part is unclear to you;

Rather than just asking you to tell me exactly where the misunderstanding lies?

So instead of trying to understand why I believe you that said something you didn't you instead say something you did and I don't understand why you believe you said something you didn't instead of something you did and this is unclear. Or something. Or whatever. You have a mastery of the English language that only a madman could appreciate. The only thing that would be better is if you did this in a tongue twister. Could you put one together for me?

Again, I only called you a pussy, because you signified first. I didn't cry about what you said, I might have even laughed.

But don't call people names, and then cry when they call you a pussy.




I don't know if you really believe you've ever rattled me. But calling someone that called you out of your name, a pussy; isn't being rattled in my neighborhood. I apologize if I hurt you. If you don't crack jokes on me; I won't crack jokes on you.



If I only wanted to confront, I wouldn't be spending all this time responding to you in a non-confrontational manner.

I remember exactly the moment you're talking about. Something I said caused you to believe I was trolling you. Re-read the exchange from an outsider perspective, and see if your prior words may have had something to do with my response.



I'm not going to call you a pussy right now. Better?

Squawk squawk! Yeah, you're non-confrontational. If you (and only you) say so!
 
The problem in this country is people confusing racism with being a minority. In any country in the world, if you are a minority, you will be discriminated against in some form. It's just human nature. If you're white and you've traveled to any non-white country, you know what I'm talking about.

I agree. No confusion here. Whites don't have to travel to another country to experience it. Many experience it right here in the US.
 
Not necessarily. You could've been saying that others may suffer racism, but not those that are 'allowed' to get ahead. That's why I asked for clarity.

The entire Democratic party is. Would you like some examples of where they say things like "The United States is a Racist Country" or other blanket statements from prominent Democrat officials? I would be happy to provide.

I'll assume that that's true. But again, it's subjective. You and Pelosi could agree to the total number of racists in the US, and her opinion is that it makes the whole country a racist country. You could disagree. You can't debate that, it's total opinion.

Yep, total opinion. That's why I showed supporting evidence to back up my opinion.
 
Yes sir, you sure can. I'll rephrase: You can't meaningfully debate opinions.

Sure I can. Lets use your own argument. "Meaningful" in this context is subjective, right? Others find my commentary meaningful, and others don't. Subjective. So the fact that you don't find it meaningful and I think your commentary is worthless means we shouldn't have a conversation.

So do us both the favor and stay out of my threads if you don't like my commentary. In fact, you could always put me on ignore.

I probably hit too close to the mark on your social status, didn't I.
 
Often in the past three months watching the dog at our country place react to sounds and passing people/vehicles I am reminded how humans are basically the same from a tribe/pack perspective. We are programmed to differentiate between us and them. Being civilised is really about pushing instinct aside and encompassing a larger group and it is not easy to do for many.

The dog (Theo) is eight, spent his first couple of years as a street dog, then was adopted as a finca (country cottage) dog as he had a good bark but was friendly, by a man who trained him to stay quiet when the outside lights were on etc. When that man left the area my father-in-law took him in.

He absolutely hates two stroke engines and men who look poor passing by but is OK with kids, women and some men. He barks at everything outside the hedge/fence (you can't see) but he only snarls at a few. He is a great dog for security.

In Theo's mind is a very clear memory of these kinds of people have hurt him and others have fed him when he was a street puppy. Raise your arm to stretch too fast and he flattens to the ground with a don't hurt Theo please look. His bark is loud, his bite barely there.

I think Trumpers are largely the same. Few to none of them had good parents who kept them entirely safe from the big bad world and they just run on early years programming their whole lives.
 
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Ok, you don't do anything I said. Any evidence I present is just going to be argued (to death) by you. Frankly, as with almost all conversations with you, there is no value in that.

This again.

So instead of trying to understand why I believe you that said something you didn't you instead say something you did and I don't understand why you believe you said something you didn't instead of something you did and this is unclear. Or something. Or whatever. You have a mastery of the English language that only a madman could appreciate. The only thing that would be better is if you did this in a tongue twister. Could you put one together for me?

Squawk squawk! Yeah, you're non-confrontational. If you (and only you) say so!

Again, no specifics. Debates about generalities go nowhere. Here's what it looks like:

You're bad.

No, you're bad.

No, you're bad.

Just reminded myself of one of my favorites:
 
Often in the past three months watching the dog at our country place react to sounds and passing people/vehicles I am reminded how humans are basically the same from a tribe/pack perspective. We are programmed to differentiate between us and them. Being civilised is really about pushing instinct aside and encompassing a larger group and it is not easy to do for many.

The dog (Theo) is eight, spent his first couple of years as a street dog, then was adopted as a finca (country cottage) dog as he had a good bark but was friendly by a man who trained him to stay quiet when the outside lights were on etc. When that man left the area my father-in-law took him in.

He absolutely hates two stroke engines and men who look poor passing by but is OK with kids, women and some men. He barks at everything outside the hedge/fence (you can't see) but he only snarls at a few. He is a great dog for security.

In Theo's mind is a very clear memory of these kinds of people have hurt him and others have fed him when he was a street puppy. Raise your arm to stretch too fast and he flattens to the ground with a don't hurt Theo please look. His bark is loud, his bite barely there.

I think Trumpers are largely the same. Few to none of them had good parents who kept them entirely safe from the big bad world and they just run on early years programming their whole lives.

I've always been interested in pack dynamics; because like you say, they apply to humans as well. Thanks for this interesting story.

Believe it or not, I'm sure you do believe this, but I've seen dogs that only bark at dark complexioned people. Apparently, the dog was harmed in a consistent way that led him to profile humans. That's comparable to the little White kid that was bullied in grade school by bigger Black kids, and then grew up having a negative feeling about a whole race of people--until an individual can prove themselves different, or worthy, like Michael Jordan, for example. I think most racist liked Jordan, as long as he kept quiet, and dribbled.

Or the dog could have been trained to do that. Which parallels kids being taught to be racist by racist parents or other racist influential figures in their early years.

I wouldn't lump all Trump supporters into the same short bus. But I think your analysis applies to many. I've always believed that many of them seem to need a hero in their life. Someone they believe is a super duper strong leader. And like kids putting a pillow case on their back as a cape, and running around with both arms stretched high; they love the feeling Trump's bombastic bullshit brings them.

Historically, there have been a few bombastically bullshitting world leaders that have lead their unconditionally loving subjects into utter chaos.
 
Often in the past three months watching the dog at our country place react to sounds and passing people/vehicles I am reminded how humans are basically the same from a tribe/pack perspective. We are programmed to differentiate between us and them. Being civilised is really about pushing instinct aside and encompassing a larger group and it is not easy to do for many.

The dog (Theo) is eight, spent his first couple of years as a street dog, then was adopted as a finca (country cottage) dog as he had a good bark but was friendly by a man who trained him to stay quiet when the outside lights were on etc. When that man left the area my father-in-law took him in.

He absolutely hates two stroke engines and men who look poor passing by but is OK with kids, women and some men. He barks at everything outside the hedge/fence (you can't see) but he only snarls at a few. He is a great dog for security.

In Theo's mind is a very clear memory of these kinds of people have hurt him and others have fed him when he was a street puppy. Raise your arm to stretch too fast and he flattens to the ground with a don't hurt Theo please look. His bark is loud, his bite barely there.

I think Trumpers are largely the same. Few to none of them had good parents who kept them entirely safe from the big bad world and they just run on early years programming their whole lives.

People are tribal by nature. We form communities for self preservation. It’s deep in our DNA.

However, historically humans are not racist. If you’ve ever read the Bible, you’ll notice the absence of skin color as people were identified by their nation of origin. Ethiopians were never “black” they were just Ethiopian. Nubians were Nubians. Hittites weren’t Brown they were just Hittites.

You’ll even notice this if you’ve ever read Shakespeare. Othello wasn’t black or brown, he was just a Moore.

Africans have been in Europe for over a thousand years and Europeans in Africa for the same amount of time.

When Mansa Musa made the haj he became famous throughout Europe for his wealth. Not described as “black” but as West African from Mali.

It was when slavery became concentrated from Africa for labor in the Americas that skin color became the prevailing descriptive characteristic over nation of origin. To understand why you have to understand the economics of the new world circa 1545 AD was to extract as much wealth as possible and deliver it back to wealthy investors in Europe.

(((Asa side note, Christopher Columbus didn’t discover the Americas. How do you discover a place where millions of people already live?)))

So not only did slavery meet the needs of the economic system, so did paying white workers poor wages. From this a social structure was created where poor whites would accept their low station because they were better off than the enslaved blacks.

Today this social structure still persists in America. Prisons are privately owned and they receive a payment for every prisoner. The justice system disproportionately provides them black prisoners for poverty crimes. Many black Americans are still being bought and sold in a way.

Many poorwhites will still accept low wages because the social structure keeps them in a hierarchy above blacks. Again look at the disproportionate incarceration rates, education rates, even interest rates on loans and prices paid for things like cars when controlling factors are similar.

Don’t believe me? If you’re white, simply ask yourself would you want to be black in America? Now be honest with yourself.

Why do we still have this? Because of profit of course. As long as prisons and healthcare systems and banks are good then why in the world would the politicians want to change anything against their donors will.
 
Sure I can. Lets use your own argument. "Meaningful" in this context is subjective, right?

I agree with you here.

Others find my commentary meaningful, and others don't. Subjective. So the fact that you don't find it meaningful and I think your commentary is worthless means we shouldn't have a conversation.

I never said that. I never spoke generally about your commentary. We never debated a general subject. My comments were explaining why I never debate a general subject.

Yet, you've once again managed to confuse yourself.

So do us both the favor and stay out of my threads if you don't like my commentary. In fact, you could always put me on ignore.

I probably hit too close to the mark on your social status, didn't I.

I won't limit my speech. See my above response about your misunderstanding. Do you do that on purpose ... misunderstand?

I'm not going to ignore you, and your social status banter could have been funnier. Do better.
 
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People are tribal by nature. We form communities for self preservation. It’s deep in our DNA.

However, historically humans are not racist. If you’ve ever read the Bible, you’ll notice the absence of skin color as people were identified by their nation of origin. Ethiopians were never “black” they were just Ethiopian. Nubians were Nubians. Hittites weren’t Brown they were just Hittites.

You’ll even notice this if you’ve ever read Shakespeare. Othello wasn’t black or brown, he was just a Moore.

Africans have been in Europe for over a thousand years and Europeans in Africa for the same amount of time.

When Mansa Musa made the haj he became famous throughout Europe for his wealth. Not described as “black” but as West African from Mali.

It was when slavery became concentrated from Africa for labor in the Americas that skin color became the prevailing descriptive characteristic over nation of origin. To understand why you have to understand the economics of the new world circa 1545 AD was to extract as much wealth as possible and deliver it back to wealthy investors in Europe.

(((Asa side note, Christopher Columbus didn’t discover the Americas. How do you discover a place where millions of people already live?)))

So not only did slavery meet the needs of the economic system, so did paying white workers poor wages. From this a social structure was created where poor whites would accept their low station because they were better off than the enslaved blacks.

Today this social structure still persists in America. Prisons are privately owned and they receive a payment for every prisoner. The justice system disproportionately provides them black prisoners for poverty crimes. Many black Americans are still being bought and sold in a way.

Many poorwhites will still accept low wages because the social structure keeps them in a hierarchy above blacks. Again look at the disproportionate incarceration rates, education rates, even interest rates on loans and prices paid for things like cars when controlling factors are similar.

Don’t believe me? If you’re white, simply ask yourself would you want to be black in America? Now be honest with yourself.

Why do we still have this? Because of profit of course. As long as prisons and healthcare systems and banks are good then why in the world would the politicians want to change anything against their donors will.

Very well said!

Why do we still have this? Because of profit of course. As long as prisons and healthcare systems and banks are good then why in the world would the politicians want to change anything against their donors will.

I agree. But I believe another factor is politics. Politicians will make changes if seats/votes are at stake.

Riots, strikes, etc. tend to affect the profit margin and may also bring about change.

Corporations negatively affected by riots and strikes will also lobby politicians for change.

Finally, armed and deadly resistance will also bring about change, like we saw with the Dallas police shootings.

In all of these cases, the question becomes, what kind of change comes (permanent, or temporary), and how fast does it come, and to what degree.
 
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