Dairy and meat are the key to health

I didn't read Taubes's book, but I did read a thoughtful and expert review of it:

https://www.stephanguyenet.com/bad-...m-an-expert-review-of-the-case-against-sugar/

It is not very flattering.

First, that is "The Case Against Sugar", which is a different book. Second, I would not be surprised when someone challenges decades of accepted doctrine that has a defense bordering on zealotry that they are attacked on all fronts. I cannot understand why people who call themselves intellectuals or scientists or doctors simply are so vested in their positions that they completely and totally discount any possible evidence presented otherwise no matter how compelling.

When someone shows me something that is factual - not subjective - and makes me re-evaluate my position, I am thankful. I don't want to walk around my whole life in ignorance or with an incorrect position.

In "Why We get Fat", Taubes points out case study after case study of peer reviewed papers, diets, and findings of the largest and most well-known medical organizations on the planet. He points out what they hoped to find, what they found and how these studies were flawed or weren't, and why. He frequently speaks to what he knows, and what he believes - and the distinction between this. He talks about what is settled and what should be challenged, and welcomes people to challenge his conclusions.

I would also point to the sugar lobby's influence in stifling anything anti-sugar in the press, on the internet and in Washington. They are very powerful, as you probably know.
 
First, that is "The Case Against Sugar", which is a different book. Second, I would not be surprised when someone challenges decades of accepted doctrine that has a defense bordering on zealotry that they are attacked on all fronts. I cannot understand why people who call themselves intellectuals or scientists or doctors simply are so vested in their positions that they completely and totally discount any possible evidence presented otherwise no matter how compelling.

When someone shows me something that is factual - not subjective - and makes me re-evaluate my position, I am thankful. I don't want to walk around my whole life in ignorance or with an incorrect position.

In "Why We get Fat", Taubes points out case study after case study of peer reviewed papers, diets, and findings of the largest and most well-known medical organizations on the planet. He points out what they hoped to find, what they found and how these studies were flawed or weren't, and why. He frequently speaks to what he knows, and what he believes - and the distinction between this. He talks about what is settled and what should be challenged, and welcomes people to challenge his conclusions.

I would also point to the sugar lobby's influence in stifling anything anti-sugar in the press, on the internet and in Washington. They are very powerful, as you probably know.
Taubes is something of an Atkins adherent. FYI Atkins suffered congestive heart failure. I would not go down that road. As Dr. Dean Ornish said, you don’t want to mortgage your future health for short term benefits.

Here’s another critical assessment of Taubes’s work:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...ave-doubts-about-gary-taubess-why-we-get-fat/
 
Essentially, carbohydrates, refined flours and sugars are responsible for most of the western diseases and conditions we see - cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer's, constipation...etc.

We eat around 40% on average (this is just a SWAG) of carbs. 150 years ago, carbs were introduced into our diet. Prior to that, it was all meat - and not just meat but the fatty parts of meat supplemented with some fruit and nuts when we could or had to.

It pretty much works like this as I understand it:

1. Ingest carbs or refined flours and sugar.
2. Insulin spike to counter blood sugar.
3. If spike is high enough, all sugars and fatty acids are sent to fat cells (or majority are) and very little is sent to muscle cells.
4. Eventually, if this diet persists, muscle and liver cells become insulin resistant, and we get fatter still.
5. Fatty acids in fat cells are combined with glycerol to make Triglycerides.
6. Carbs also make LDL particles smaller and denser, allowing them to take root in arteries.
7. the result is adiposity, high LDL and Triglycerides and all of the aforementioned Western diseases.

We don't get fat because we eat too many calories. We eat too many calories because we get fat. Eventually, in order to power our larger bodies we are forced to consume more energy so that some makes it to the muscle cells while most of it (in a carb rich diet) go to fat cells to get us even fatter.

Simple versus complex carbohydrates such a fiberous vegetables good, sugars especially when not sufficiently excercising bad. Carb loading with certain starches can be beneficial if planning a sustained amount of excercise. Soda is the worst, especially those sugary beverages with appetite stimulating caffeine.

I have found when my blood glyogen levels are low either due to a large number of calories burned through a long hike or through fasting, fatty foods are very satiating and simple carb flavors such as fruit, are very strong.

I know a Univerisity professor who is a dietitian. I challenge anyone to gain weight on her plant based diet.
 
Taubes is something of an Atkins adherent. FYI Atkins suffered congestive heart failure. I would not go down that road. As Dr. Dean Ornish said, you don’t want to mortgage your future health for short term benefits.

Here’s another critical assessment of Taubes’s work:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...ave-doubts-about-gary-taubess-why-we-get-fat/

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Dr. Robert Atkins, creator of the high-protein, low-carbohydrate Atkins Diet, died Thursday after an accidental fall on April 8 left him comatose.

As for Taubes, once again I find myself pointing out an example of people attacking the person, and not the information presented. That's fine, go right ahead. I fully expect massive pushback when poorly developed theories have been accepted as paradigm for so long. People are too vested in the story they've been told and accepted.

In the book Why We Get Fat, there are numerous peer reviewed cases used as example for the ideas Taubes shares. You, or anyone else, is welcome to debate any of it.
 
Simple versus complex carbohydrates such a fiberous vegetables good, sugars especially when not sufficiently excercising bad. Carb loading with certain starches can be beneficial if planning a sustained amount of excercise. Soda is the worst, especially those sugary beverages with appetite stimulating caffeine.

I have found when my blood glyogen levels are low either due to a large number of calories burned through a long hike or through fasting, fatty foods are very satiating and simple carb flavors such as fruit, are very strong.

I know a Univerisity professor who is a dietitian. I challenge anyone to gain weight on her plant based diet.

To say "I challenge anyone to gain weight" is a very open ended challenge. Women in menopause, for example, will likely gain weight on this plant based diet. Do you know why? I do.
 
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Dr. Robert Atkins, creator of the high-protein, low-carbohydrate Atkins Diet, died Thursday after an accidental fall on April 8 left him comatose.
Sounds like whitewashing to me, and trying to keep a brand alive. Maybe that's why his widow didn't want an autopsy performed. Here, try this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/11/...-keeps-the-issue-alive.html?auth=login-google

...The latest twist is the publication in The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday of details from Dr. Atkins's confidential medical report. The report concludes that Dr. Atkins, 72, had a history of heart attack and congestive heart failure...

...The report, based on an external examination of the body and some hospital information, said Dr. Atkins had a history of heart attack, congestive heart failure and hypertension. His wife objected to an autopsy, Ms. Borakove said, so none was performed...

...Dr. John McDougall, a member of the Physicians Committee and an internist who had debated Dr. Atkins, said there was no doubt that Dr. Atkins had lost weight after his cardiac arrest, but before that was a different story. ''I knew the man,'' he said. ''He was grossly overweight. I thought he was 40 to 60 pounds overweight when I saw him, and I'm being kind.''
 
As for Taubes, once again I find myself pointing out an example of people attacking the person, and not the information presented.
You are missing the point. Taubes has been accused of misrepresenting information by people far more informed on this subject matter than we are. Do you not get that?
 
You are missing the point. Taubes has been accused of misrepresenting information by people far more informed on this subject matter than we are. Do you not get that?

Taubes is something of an Atkins adherent. FYI Atkins suffered congestive heart failure. I would not go down that road. As Dr. Dean Ornish said, you don’t want to mortgage your future health for short term benefits.

Here’s another critical assessment of Taubes’s work:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...ave-doubts-about-gary-taubess-why-we-get-fat/

I read this entire post. Nothing in here refutes the science in the book Why We Get Fat. It goes after Gary, his dimensions and how he argues things but spends more time talking about the Atkins diet than anything else.

The Atkins diet is mentioned in Why We Get Fat for all of about 3 pages. Its given a cursory glance. That's it. Why this guy spends all the time on it I have no idea.

I'm not defending the atkins diet (you brought up Atkins, as did this blogger). That's not at all what i've been talking about.
 
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