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Proverbs 10:22 —
“The blessing of the Lord brings wealth, without painful toil for it.”

This prayer was answered for the three wise men in this video (timestamped):D

It wasn't all bad for Bishop Lamor Miller-Whitehead -- he still has his Rolls Royce.:sneaky:
Proverbs 10:22 —
“The blessing of the Lord brings wealth, without painful toil for it.”

This prayer was answered for the three wise men in this video (timestamped):D

It wasn't all bad for Bishop Lamor Miller-Whitehead -- he still has his Rolls Royce.:sneaky:
I just don't even know what to say.

It's a messed up world, for sure!

I don't think the Bishop or the robbers are examples of actual meaning of Proverbs 10:22.
 
Right.
I see is a little differently than that.
There are ages.
There was no "Bible" that we know of between Adam and the flood, although my personal opinion is that some of the beginning of the book of Genesis were written during that time and handed down the family line. That's up for debate though.

The people living then lived unusually long lives so the overlapping of generations was nothing like we have today. People could have sought out Adam for hundreds of years to hear directly from his mouth that God had created him and his wife and that all the troubles in the world were a result of their disobedience. The "godly line" leading up to Noah was not far removed from Adam and held firm to their belief in God. It doesn't seem like very many people were interested however, since the New Testament refers to Noah as being a preacher of righteousness yet only Noah and his family were kept alive in the ark. Did Noah warn others of the coming flood and beg them to repent towards God and believe God's words and come with him and his family? It's speculation, but I think it probably did happen that way.

See the overlapping of the lifespans:

chronology_chart_from_adam_to_abraham_1.jpg

https://www.conformingtojesus.com/images/webpages/chronology_chart_from_adam_to_abraham_1.jpg

After Noah and the flood people had immediate access to Noah and his descendants up until the time of Abraham, since Abraham lived at the same time as Shem, Noah's son. I think Shem was likely Melchizedek who met up with Abraham at least once, but there is some uncertainty as to who he is.

Then as people continued to turn from the knowledge of God and obedience to Him, God began to focus on Abraham and his descendants.

Eventually the Israelites were given the Scriptures, but the message of God was available at all times somewhere on this earth before then. It was people who chose to turn from the truth and this often affected the truth that their children came to know. However, that does not stop God from seeking out people or bringing them into relationship with Himself.

Last we have the age of the Christians who have been tasked with testifying to God's work in their lives that began when they trusted in Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

God put what He wanted us to know into the Bible. There is no need for the miraculous.

Another way to think of it is that during this time God wants people to seek and find Him without being forced to. There will come a time when the miraculous will happen again and God will return to earth to reign and there will be no question that He is God. However, knowing this is true does NOT lead everyone to want Him in a personal relationship, to save them from their sin and yield themselves to Him and find mercy through the blood of Jesus.

So, there are different ages where God worked in different ways at different times to call people to repentance and try to turn them to Himself. You guys on this thread have been nice to me and the other Christians here, relatively speaking. The prophets in the Old Testament were often put to death and Christians have suffered a lot of persecution for the last 2,000 years primarily because the message of we share goes against what people want to hear.

In the end, it will be seen that no matter how much "evidence" was available to people, the majority of people will choose to go their own way instead of submitting to the truths they do know about God.

I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good, According to their own thoughts..
Isaiah 65:2 NKJV

He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
John 3:36 NKJV

Seek the Lord while He may be found,
Call upon Him while He is near.
Let the wicked forsake his way,
And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
Let him return to the Lord,
And He will have mercy on him;
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon.
Isaiah 56:6, 7 NKJV

Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
Matthew 7:13 NKJV​
The point I was trying to make, why would God the last 2000 years soley rely on the bible and humans to represent him?
A multinational company seeks to employ the very best to be ambassadors to represent the company, why would God use fallen mankind to get his message out there.
Humans don't trust humans, unless naive or dumb, why should I trust the bs artist preachers?
Which preacher is right, which is wrong? All they have to offer is rhetoric.
It's not like the church has a squeaky clean reputation.
 
The point I was trying to make, why would God the last 2000 years soley rely on the bible and humans to represent him?
A multinational company seeks to employ the very best to be ambassadors to represent the company, why would God use fallen mankind to get his message out there.
Humans don't trust humans, unless naive or dumb, why should I trust the bs artist preachers?
Which preacher is right, which is wrong? All they have to offer is rhetoric.
It's not like the church has a squeaky clean reputation.
There are a lot of reasons. Here are a few:

1. From my understanding of Scripture, I don't see that God feels an obligation to save anyone, meaning that it's not a right that we have to think that God should be merciful to any one of us, because from God's point of view, and He will have the last say, we have all become corrupt and gone our own way and rebelled against Him, and He is letting people reject Him, although at the cost of living in eternity without Him and under His wrath.

In light of that, then the point you are trying to make, which is basically why isn't God doing a better job of revealing Himself, needs to be understood in light of God's desire. Obviously, since He created the universe then it would not be difficult at all for Him to reveal Himself and make sure nobody was confused as to what to believe.

2. It boils down to this (the second reason): God chose to write the Bible to reveal the truths He wanted us to know. It is serving His purposes.

3. I can speculate and say maybe it's because He knows that the issue isn't the evidence. He knows what is in everyone's heart and He sees that people reject Him not for lack of evidence, but because people want to do their own thing, be their own boss, make their own rules and not submit to their Creator. Now, some cults say they are submitting to God and yet their "submission" is far different than what God has commanded in the Bible.

4. The Holy Spirit is the One who seeks out people, to see if anyone will respond to what they do know of God. The lack of "evidence" or miraculous messengers or whatever it is that you are trying to imagine that God should have done instead, is not at all hindering God's working. God is accomplishing His plan to bring people to Himself and save them through Jesus. So, reason number 4 is that it isn't just the Bible or just Christians or just the nation of Israel or just the design of creation that are God's method, but He also works through His Spirit trying to draw people to Himself.

the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him...
John 4:23 BSB​


5. There is a spiritual battle going on between the forces of Satan and God and His messengers. The battle is real and the eternities of people are at stake. The issue is over the human will. Does one WANT and WILL to belong to God or to go their own path? To desire to belong to God must lead one to accepting the truths He has revealed about Himself to us. It's not really repentance if we are still choosing to worship the imaginations of our heart rather than submitting to God's revelation. He is revealed as our Creator, the Almighty, the Savior. Because it is an issue of the heart, it makes sense to me that God would use those who were once in the same boat as the others, living apart from God, to be the ones to share that they have experienced God themselves, and have come to see their sin against Him and come to know that He gives a full pardon to those who trust His Son, recognizing the Son as fully God who took on humanity so that He could represent us on the cross as He hung there, in pain, and took the wrath of God against our sin.

He made Christ who knew no sin to [judicially] be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we would become the righteousness of God [that is, we would be made acceptable to Him and placed in a right relationship with Him by His gracious lovingkindness].
2 Corinthians 5:21 Amplified Bible​

I'm sure there are more reasons, but I'll stop here. :D
 
I think I just had an epiphany. :D

"Nothing" does not exist and has never existed.

Conceptually, there are different definitions of nothing, such as:

1. There's "nothing" in my bank account.
2. There's "nothing" in outer space.

Yet even within the mathematical concept of nothing, there are still laws to define it, and there is still the time element, so "nothing," even mathematically, is not really and truly "nothing."

Before the "Big Bang" of creation, there was God, who most obviously is not "nothing" and fills everything.

Within the empty places of the universe, there is light from the stars, so there really isn't a place of "nothing" and I wouldn't call a black hole nothing either.

I have sometimes pictured "nothing" as an empty part of outer space, or maybe what exists just beyond our expanding universe, but these cannot be places of "nothing" either because God fills all that is and there is nothing that exists apart from His creation.

Wait, that would mean there is nothing....so nothing isn't the absence of anything, nothing is what doesn't exist because God didn't create it! So I have added to my definition while writing this out.

I'm sure many people, maybe even most people, have developed this line of thinking far beyond my simplified understanding of it. I've known that God exists everywhere, so I knew there was never "nothing" but I hadn't really defined it so specifically for myself.
 
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I think I just had an epiphany. :D

"Nothing" does not exist and has never existed.

Conceptually, there are different definitions of nothing, such as:

1. There's "nothing" in my bank account.
2. There's "nothing" in outer space.

Yet even within the mathematical concept of nothing, there are still laws to define it, and there is still the time element, so "nothing," even mathematically, is not really and truly "nothing."

Before the "Big Bang" of creation, there was God, who most obviously is not "nothing" and fills everything.

Within the empty places of the universe, there is light from the stars, so there really isn't a place of "nothing" and I wouldn't call a black hole nothing either.

I have sometimes pictured "nothing" as an empty part of outer space, or maybe what exists just beyond our expanding universe, but these cannot be places of "nothing" either because God fills all that is and there is nothing that exists apart from His creation.

Wait, that would mean there is nothing....so nothing isn't the absence of anything, nothing is what doesn't exist because God didn't create it! So I have added to my definition while writing this out.

I'm sure many people, maybe even most people, have developed this line of thinking far beyond my simplified understanding of it. I've known that God exists everywhere, so I knew there was never "nothing" but I hadn't really defined it so specifically for myself.

Well said Student but on this point I have to correct you slightly. Nothing does exist and it is whenever Good1 writes something. :p All in good fun Good1 :D
 
I think I just had an epiphany. :D

"Nothing" does not exist and has never existed....

I'm sure many people, maybe even most people, have developed this line of thinking far beyond my simplified understanding of it. I've known that God exists everywhere, so I knew there was never "nothing" but I hadn't really defined it so specifically for myself.


Just because nothing cannot exist does not mean that God MUST exist.
 
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