Daily Bible Verse

[stu]

Your picture is deceptive. Jesus did not say the quote below the picture. Jesus did pray several times outdoors or in gardens and from what we know of His prayers in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus was actually in great sorrow in His praying knowing that He would soon be crucified for our sakes. The fact that the crucifixion was so awful shows that God really does punish all sin. The fact that Jesus did that for us to make a way so that those who repent and believe can be pardoned from God's wrath reveals the desire and yearning of God's heart to forgive rather than condemn.

However, the verse you quoted was written by King David. Although the exact circumstances aren't exactly clear as far as who he is referring to, there were several times where David had enemies that wanted to kill him or came against him or those around him to do him harm.

The law that God gave through the Torah was an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, etc. King David was wanting God to judge wickedness.

Justice is always deserved and fair. Forgiveness and pardon are not deserved.

God is a God of justice.

I didn't claim the pic was of Jesus. You made that assumption, though I'm not surprised as it is after all the idealization of a dark skinned Middle Eastern Jew purposely made to look like a white skinned Western Christian.

That picture can just as much stand as a representation of Bible David as of Bible Jesus.

It's been said before but I'll say it again, so you can dodge and ignore it again. The God you describe above is a consummate narcissistical, filicidal, lunatic.

Those are not principles worthy of accommodation by any stretch. Anyone with an ounce of decency should want nothing to do with your god let alone worship or glorify the thing which represents those unequivocally detestable concepts you mention.

Religion has normalized acceptance and the excusing of totally unconscionable ideas, as you so adequately demonstrate.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself!

To start your day...
Bible verse or Mein Kamph verse?

 

[studentofthemarkets]

I didn't claim the pic was of Jesus. You made that assumption, though I'm not surprised as it is after all the idealization of a dark skinned Middle Eastern Jew purposely made to look like a white skinned Western Christian.

That picture can just as much stand as a representation of Bible David as of Bible Jesus.

It's been said before but I'll say it again, so you can dodge and ignore it again. The God you describe above is a consummate narcissistical, filicidal, lunatic.

Those are not principles worthy of accommodation by any stretch. Anyone with an ounce of decency should want nothing to do with your god let alone worship or glorify the thing which represents those unequivocally detestable concepts you mention.

Religion has normalized acceptance and the excusing of totally unconscionable ideas, as you so adequately demonstrate.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself!

To start your day...
Bible verse or Mein Kamph verse?

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Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth.

Justice for crimes was in the law given to Moses.

The general rule was that the punishment must match the injury.

The verse you posted was an emotional response to the their nation being destroyed and their infants murdered, but note that it did not mean they actually would retaliate in this manner.

A world without forgiveness would be harsh, but at least there would be justice for crimes. A Christian has experienced forgiveness from God for their sins and so ought to be forgiving towards all people. Jesus paid the price of our sins in full at the cross. He said, "It is finished." He had completed bearing the sentence that we deserved. However, forgiveness from God is dependent on the repentance (not defined by sorrow, but rather a u-turn) of the sinner. Between humans it is often also necessary to have repentance and restitution made before there can be real forgiveness and reconciliation. It's a little complicated the way it is described in the Bible, but for the Christian it is right to pursue justice as well as offer forgiveness and some situations call for offering forgiveness and pursuing justice in the courts simultaneously. That's my current understanding of how it should work.

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

Love Your Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
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https://www.gotquestions.org/dashing-babies-against-rocks.html
I added the emphasis:

Psalm 137:9 is found in one of the Imprecatory Psalms (or Precatory Psalms) that speak of violence against the enemies of God. That verse reads, “Happy is the one who seizes your infants / and dashes them against the rocks.” To “imprecate” means to “pray evil against,” and the imprecatory prayers in the Bible strike people today as strange or wrong. It is important to understand the context of this verse and others like it. The background is the Jewish people calling upon God to exact revenge upon their military enemies.


Psalm 137 is in the context of the Jewish exile in Babylon (Psalm 137:1) where they had been taken as slaves after the Babylonians burned down the city of Jerusalem. The Jews in exile were then told to “sing us one of the songs of Zion!” (Psalm 137:1), adding further humiliation and frustration to a defeated people.

The psalmist recalls both the disgraces of the Edomites (who looted Jerusalem) and the Babylonians who destroyed their capital city. He comes to two conclusions to end the psalm. First, he says, “Happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us” (Psalm 137:8). This cry for revenge desired the destruction of their enemies.

Then in verse 9, the psalmist adds further detail to this cry for revenge, claiming, “Happy is the one” who kills the infants of their enemy. The desire is graphically stated, but it is simply a call for the destruction of the entire nation—the nation that had enslaved the Jews, killed their babies, and destroyed their city. The destruction of Babylon was expressly foretold in Isaiah 13:16, and by referencing that prediction, the psalmist may mean to say that the men who were God’s instruments in carrying out that prophecy would be happy in doing His will.

If we keep in mind that the psalms are songs that express intense emotions, a statement such as “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks” should not shock us. The writer did not intend to go out and kill babies; rather, he desired justice, which required the death of his enemies. Even today, those who have lost loved ones at the hands of others understandably desire the death of those who committed the crime.

We must be careful to interpret Psalm 137 in its historical context and apply it appropriately in connection with the full counsel of Scripture. It is a normal human desire to see justice done and for enemies to be defeated. However, Romans 12:17–19 commands, “Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: ‘It is mine to avenge; I will repay,’ says the Lord.” Psalm 137 is not a selfish prayer for personal revenge. It is a plea for God to intervene in the affairs of men to keep His covenant and right all wrongs.
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[themickey]

Worshipping a black book is your prerogative, but its just another form of idolatory.
Typical bible style contradiction though, preaching against idolatory but conveniently ignores idolatory in its own camp.

The problem of Christianity, humans are flawed, everyone knows that, so churches are flawed organisations, run by flawed humans who preach flawed doctrine, but once again christians will sweep their shortcomings under the rug, pointing out others sins but its own.

 

[studentofthemarkets]

Worshipping a black book is your prerogative, but its just another form of idolatory.
Typical bible style contradiction though, preaching against idolatory but conveniently ignores idolatory in its own camp.

The problem of Christianity, humans are flawed, everyone knows that, so churches are flawed organisations, run by flawed humans who preach flawed doctrine, but once again christians will sweep their shortcomings under the rug, pointing out others sins but its own.
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But we do not worship a book.

We also do not worship a wall. A friend just sent me this video retelling the encounter of two rabbis at the wailing wall and it makes the point clear that we worship ONLY the LORD!

I'd never heard Rabbi Zeb Porat before this video, but here is what is on his website:

Messianic Rabbi Zev Porat
Zev was born in Israel and raised in the Orthodox Jewish city of Bnei Brak. He was raised an Orthodox Jew in a rabbinic family.

His father, grandfather, and ancestors were all rabbis. Zev was born-again in Yeshua after many years of hearing the Gospel on the Internet and reading the prophecies of the Old Testament. The minute he received the infilling of the Holy Spirit, he began to share the Gospel of Yeshua everywhere. Zev says, “Now we go out on the streets as the Spirit of God guides us!”

Zev understands that being a Completed Jew is believing in Yeshua. This comes at a personal cost that he and his wife Lian are willing to pay for the salvation of lsrael. Being a native-born evangelist, he has been persecuted and most of his family has disowned him. Zev says, “Yeshua called me to share the Gospel with the Lost Sheep of Israel because, as the Lord says, ‘My people perish for lack of knowledge’ (Hosea 4:6). No matter what the persecution and danger, I will continue to share the Gospel until ‘all Israel will be saved’ (Romans 11:26).”
https://www.messiahofisraelministries.org/about-us/

 

[themickey]

If the bible was God's inspired word (which it is not) then christianity, if it were pure, would not create its own set of problems.
But christianity does create its own problems.

Christians attempt for perfection, but its unattainable.
"Anyhow, lets attempt it anyway."
Christian live a life of frustration, frustration with themselves because they continually miss the mark, and frustration with others.
Why frustration with others?
Because their influence (be it family, friends, workmates, community) is also flawed, and their flaws impede your progress, their 'sins' keep pulling you down.
Your reaction? Blame!
Blame everyone for making your life miserable because how can you fly like an eagle when continuously surrounded by turkeys.
Turkeys are turkeys and will never be eagles, welcome to reality.

 

[themickey]

But we do not worship a book.

We also do not worship a wall. A friend just sent me this video retelling the encounter of two rabbis at the wailing wall and it makes the point clear that we worship ONLY the LORD!

I'd never heard Rabbi Zeb Porat before this video, but here is what is on his website:

Messianic Rabbi Zev Porat
Zev was born in Israel and raised in the Orthodox Jewish city of Bnei Brak. He was raised an Orthodox Jew in a rabbinic family.

His father, grandfather, and ancestors were all rabbis. Zev was born-again in Yeshua after many years of hearing the Gospel on the Internet and reading the prophecies of the Old Testament. The minute he received the infilling of the Holy Spirit, he began to share the Gospel of Yeshua everywhere. Zev says, “Now we go out on the streets as the Spirit of God guides us!”

Zev understands that being a Completed Jew is believing in Yeshua. This comes at a personal cost that he and his wife Lian are willing to pay for the salvation of lsrael. Being a native-born evangelist, he has been persecuted and most of his family has disowned him. Zev says, “Yeshua called me to share the Gospel with the Lost Sheep of Israel because, as the Lord says, ‘My people perish for lack of knowledge’ (Hosea 4:6). No matter what the persecution and danger, I will continue to share the Gospel until ‘all Israel will be saved’ (Romans 11:26).”
https://www.messiahofisraelministries.org/about-us/

The video starts with "Biblical Truth".
That was enough for me to turn the crap off immediately.
When people self proclaim truth (like Trump) you know you're straightaway on the road to bullshit.

 

[studentofthemarkets]

If the bible was God's inspired word (which it is not) then christianity, if it were pure, would not create its own set of problems.
But christianity does create its own problems.

Nope

Christians attempt for perfection, but its unattainable.
"Anyhow, lets attempt it anyway."
Christian live a life of frustration, frustration with themselves because they continually miss the mark, and frustration with others.

Nope. I have no idea what you are talking about. My personal experience is that I have come to appreciate God's grace and kindness to me through the ways I fall short. I don't have to try to be righteous because I have no righteousness on my own, my only goodness and righteousness is the righteousness of God imputed to me undeservedly.

Why frustration with others?
Because their influence (be it family, friends, workmates, community) is also flawed, and their flaws impede your progress, their 'sins' keep pulling you down.
Your reaction? Blame!
Blame everyone for making your life miserable because how can you fly like an eagle when continuously surrounded by turkeys.

Blaming others is the problem Christians have?

I don't think I do and I don't think I know people who are doing this. If I am doing this, it must be a blindspot. I certainly understand that I need to take responsibility for my own decisions...morally and in trading too!

Blame everyone for making your life miserable because how can you fly like an eagle when continuously surrounded by turkeys.
Turkeys are turkeys and will never be eagles, welcome to reality.

I don't see that at all.

However, I do think I see a pig, having washed, that has returned to wallowing in the mud!

 

[themickey]

However, I do think I see a pig, having washed, that has returned to wallowing in the mud!

Student, we can have fun on this thread, and I like you, so I'll stick it to you, you're welcome to retaliate.

Now back to business, what you're saying is, because I'm not a jesus freak fan boy and decided after years of church life, I don't like what I see, that I've gone back to wallow in shit.

My first wife (christian stupid bitch) when we broke up, told me she hoped to see me in the gutter.
Sorry to disappoint her and you!

Gone from this

To this

 

[studentofthemarkets]

told me she hoped to see me in the gutter.
Sorry to disappoint her and you!

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I'm glad you are having such a nice lunch! (Or have had such nice lunches). Just wish I had a video of you trying to put that sandwich in your mouth!!!

I'm sorry about your 1st wife. And I'm sorry she said that to you.

And whatever made you think I wish you to be in the gutter? I don't wish anything like that for you or Stu or Good1! Nothing like that at all! I am only observing that you are "wallowing in the mud," living in the despair and despondency and wickedness of this world and missing out on the happiness of having God's friendship. See, I even made a Bible verse picture just for you, hoping that you will seek and find the Lord and not stay in the mud!

 

[themickey]

I'm glad you are having such a nice lunch! (Or have had such nice lunches). Just wish I had a video of you trying to put that sandwich in your mouth!!!

I'm sorry about your 1st wife. And I'm sorry she said that to you.

And whatever made you think I wish you to be in the gutter? I don't wish anything like that for you or Stu or Good1! Nothing like that at all! I am only observing that you are "wallowing in the mud," living in the despair and despondency and wickedness of this world and missing out on the happiness of having God's friendship. See, I even made a Bible verse picture just for you, hoping that you will seek and find the Lord and not stay in the mud!

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If there is a God creator (which I tend to believe there is something due to the marvelousness, sheer magnificence of nature) then there are many roads or paths.
We are all part of creation, our search if you call it that, is not 'out there', its within us.
There should be no external looking, but internal.
Bibles and churches as your core support are distractions, red herrings.