Libs please note that my question has a qualifier in it that most likely eliminates you.
DACA - anyone have a non-stupid prediction of what Trump will decide?
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I suspect he will cave.
I hope, at least. he trades DACA for 3 big things. lower taxes for those making less than 300 grand, obamacare repeal, and permanent long term ban on immigration until they eliminate income taxes and our standard of living rises in real terms... significantly for a decade.
If he is the deal maker he professed he will succeed.
I worry he will cave now in exchange for a promise later. Which is always a lie from establishment republicans to the tax payers who elect them.
I hope, at least. he trades DACA for 3 big things. lower taxes for those making less than 300 grand, obamacare repeal, and permanent long term ban on immigration until they eliminate income taxes and our standard of living rises in real terms... significantly for a decade.
If he is the deal maker he professed he will succeed.
I worry he will cave now in exchange for a promise later. Which is always a lie from establishment republicans to the tax payers who elect them.
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I expect Trump will go down a path similar to what Senator Tillis from North Carolina is proposing. Just take DACA and rename it the "Dream Act".
N.C. senator tosses Trump a conservative life raft for Dreamers
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article170547392.html
Conservative lawmakers led by Thom Tillis are crafting a bill they call the conservative Dream Act that would provide a path to permanent residency to people brought here illegally as children, offering President Donald Trump an escape hatch on one of his most vexing immigration challenges.
The legislation creates an avenue for Trump to both fulfill a campaign promise to end an Obama-era program known as DACA while yielding to what appears to be his personal desire to let these immigrants remain in the country.
“Who cares about DACA if there's a Dream Act,” said a Republican involved with the policy negotiations and aware of Tillis’ plan.
(More at above url)
N.C. senator tosses Trump a conservative life raft for Dreamers
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article170547392.html
Conservative lawmakers led by Thom Tillis are crafting a bill they call the conservative Dream Act that would provide a path to permanent residency to people brought here illegally as children, offering President Donald Trump an escape hatch on one of his most vexing immigration challenges.
The legislation creates an avenue for Trump to both fulfill a campaign promise to end an Obama-era program known as DACA while yielding to what appears to be his personal desire to let these immigrants remain in the country.
“Who cares about DACA if there's a Dream Act,” said a Republican involved with the policy negotiations and aware of Tillis’ plan.
(More at above url)
Jem said:
I hope, at least. he trades DACA for 3 big things. lower taxes for those makes less than 300 grand, obamacare repeal and permanent long term ban on immigration until then eliminate income taxes and our standard of living rises in real terms... significantly for a decade.
If he is the deal maker he professed he will succeed.
I don't know. I don't see that and hope he doesnt do any of that.
I don't say that just to be a difficult child. I am just saying. That would be ugly in my mind if I view it as either a lib or a conservative and I have been both.
I don't mind and I expect Trump to use DACA as a card to play in getting trade-offs that relate to immigration. You know, for example, "you fund a third of the wall for now and agree to pass a comprehensive immigration law within two years and I will extend DACA for two years for all dreamers who have not committed a felony." That type of thing- where all immigration items being horse traded are part of a process to arrive at comprehensive long term solution that does not require further executive orders/actions to hold it together with duct tape and bondo.
But to trade DACA for middle class tax reform or obamacare or something unrelated - man, that's too cold for me and doesnt make any progress on immigration. Don't get me wrong though, I did not even come close to saying that those other things are not important.
Anyway, I digressed off in to what I think or would hope to see. I am right now sort of curious about what people think Trump will actually do regardless of what I might want. One thing that is sort of new and different is the flooding thing. In theory it is unrelated but in reality it puts him in a position of having to continue to market the wall with its big price tag when that money could be going to recovery programs. So that gives him a little out if he wants to take it and still be a hero to Texans- and yes I know that many texans dont want it anyway although there is general agreement that more wall is needed in the unruly areas. So it gives him an opening to just go for partial funding right now.
In a related matter, I saw an interview on tv with some dreamers earlier today. One of them was a grown woman who was crying and upset and so on- saying that she had been in this country since she was one year old. Okay, nothing new there. That is how the stories go. EXCEPT she was speaking spanish and they had an interpreter for her. Holy Shiite. Might want to learn some english at some point while you are wailing on about this being the only country you know.
I hope, at least. he trades DACA for 3 big things. lower taxes for those makes less than 300 grand, obamacare repeal and permanent long term ban on immigration until then eliminate income taxes and our standard of living rises in real terms... significantly for a decade.
If he is the deal maker he professed he will succeed.
I don't know. I don't see that and hope he doesnt do any of that.
I don't say that just to be a difficult child. I am just saying. That would be ugly in my mind if I view it as either a lib or a conservative and I have been both.
I don't mind and I expect Trump to use DACA as a card to play in getting trade-offs that relate to immigration. You know, for example, "you fund a third of the wall for now and agree to pass a comprehensive immigration law within two years and I will extend DACA for two years for all dreamers who have not committed a felony." That type of thing- where all immigration items being horse traded are part of a process to arrive at comprehensive long term solution that does not require further executive orders/actions to hold it together with duct tape and bondo.
But to trade DACA for middle class tax reform or obamacare or something unrelated - man, that's too cold for me and doesnt make any progress on immigration. Don't get me wrong though, I did not even come close to saying that those other things are not important.
Anyway, I digressed off in to what I think or would hope to see. I am right now sort of curious about what people think Trump will actually do regardless of what I might want. One thing that is sort of new and different is the flooding thing. In theory it is unrelated but in reality it puts him in a position of having to continue to market the wall with its big price tag when that money could be going to recovery programs. So that gives him a little out if he wants to take it and still be a hero to Texans- and yes I know that many texans dont want it anyway although there is general agreement that more wall is needed in the unruly areas. So it gives him an opening to just go for partial funding right now.
In a related matter, I saw an interview on tv with some dreamers earlier today. One of them was a grown woman who was crying and upset and so on- saying that she had been in this country since she was one year old. Okay, nothing new there. That is how the stories go. EXCEPT she was speaking spanish and they had an interpreter for her. Holy Shiite. Might want to learn some english at some point while you are wailing on about this being the only country you know.
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Maybe even offer discounted copies of Hillary's new book to sweeten the deal a little and help fund the wall. I am pretty sure there will be extras available.
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A simple solution that would get all parties to get what they want would be let the DACA's stay, but require them to fund the wall. They came here illegally so it's only fair they build the wall. There are an estimated 1.9 million DACA. They could each pay around $6,300 which would bring in $12 billion. Since most of the DACAs are Mexican, in effect...Mexicans are paying for the wall.
Personally I would just like them to all go home because they'll end up being all democrat voters when they turn 18.
Personally I would just like them to all go home because they'll end up being all democrat voters when they turn 18.
Another abysmal failure . . .
our leaders are stupid,
all talk no action ,
total disaster.
(Donald J Trump)
our leaders are stupid,
all talk no action ,
total disaster.
(Donald J Trump)
Simply put . . . McConnell , Ryan , and a host of other secret members are planning a mammoth coup.
It's going to be huuuugggge.
Paul Ryan Says Trump Should Not End Protections For Dreamers
The House speaker has tried to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program through Congress.
WASHINGTON ― House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Friday that President Donald Trump should not terminate a program protecting young undocumented immigrants who come to the U.S. as children, even though he and other Republicans have repeatedly tried to end it in Congress.
“I actually don’t think he should do that,” Ryan said concerning reports that Trump will end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which could be killed as early as Friday. “I believe that this is something that Congress has to fix.”
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Friday afternoon that Trump will announce a decision on DACA, which has allowed nearly 800,000 so-called “Dreamers” to receive two-year work permits and deportation reprieve, on Tuesday. Attorneys general from 10 states threatened the president with legal action if he doesn’t terminate the program by Sept. 5, and there were reports on Thursday and Friday that he plans to do so, although the White House has said it is still under review.
Ryan is a longtime opponent of DACA. He said on Friday that President Barack Obama, who created the program in 2012, “did not have the legislative authority to do what he did” and that presidents cannot “write law out of thin air.”
“Having said all of that, there are people in limbo,” Ryan added. “These are kids that know no other country, who were brought here by their parents and don’t know another home, and so I really do believe there needs to be a legislative solution, that’s one that we’re working on.”
Trump vowed during his presidential campaign to end DACA, which he, like Ryan and other Republicans, has said is unconstitutional. If he followed through, current recipients would be unable to work legally and would be at risk of deportation. Although the Trump administration has said its focus is deporting criminals, it routinely detains other undocumented immigrants it encounters as well ― Dreamers among them.
It's going to be huuuugggge.
Paul Ryan Says Trump Should Not End Protections For Dreamers
The House speaker has tried to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program through Congress.
WASHINGTON ― House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Friday that President Donald Trump should not terminate a program protecting young undocumented immigrants who come to the U.S. as children, even though he and other Republicans have repeatedly tried to end it in Congress.
“I actually don’t think he should do that,” Ryan said concerning reports that Trump will end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which could be killed as early as Friday. “I believe that this is something that Congress has to fix.”
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Friday afternoon that Trump will announce a decision on DACA, which has allowed nearly 800,000 so-called “Dreamers” to receive two-year work permits and deportation reprieve, on Tuesday. Attorneys general from 10 states threatened the president with legal action if he doesn’t terminate the program by Sept. 5, and there were reports on Thursday and Friday that he plans to do so, although the White House has said it is still under review.
Ryan is a longtime opponent of DACA. He said on Friday that President Barack Obama, who created the program in 2012, “did not have the legislative authority to do what he did” and that presidents cannot “write law out of thin air.”
“Having said all of that, there are people in limbo,” Ryan added. “These are kids that know no other country, who were brought here by their parents and don’t know another home, and so I really do believe there needs to be a legislative solution, that’s one that we’re working on.”
Trump vowed during his presidential campaign to end DACA, which he, like Ryan and other Republicans, has said is unconstitutional. If he followed through, current recipients would be unable to work legally and would be at risk of deportation. Although the Trump administration has said its focus is deporting criminals, it routinely detains other undocumented immigrants it encounters as well ― Dreamers among them.
What would that coup look like? Oh, I see. Passing legislation. What a radical activity that would be for the Legislative Branch.
Eight years of Obama and no legislation on it either, so don't start self-stimulating just yet over what a great job Obama did versus the first eight months of trumps administration.
One of your lefty buddies here led a long, long, long discussion a while back to make sure that everyone understood that we were all wrong- DACA was not an executive order. It was an executive action. Plenty of links, articles, swag from the DNC attached as usual. I said that for practical matters, it is a distinction without a difference. It is something that was done through executive power alone and can be undone by executive power alone in the absence of future legislation. So if-by chance- Trump does not extend DACA and the millions of families are suddenly in turmoil, before sure to point out to them that he did not reverse (or rather "not extend") an executive order. It was an "executive action." giggle.
Let me know how that works out down at the DNC. Send them some links to Huffpo and Salon articles.
Idiots.
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