Cycle 25: No Global Warming - Mini Ice Age Is Next

[Ricter]

Quote from pspr:

I hate people who say, "I told you so!".

The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.

The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

Solar output goes through 11-year cycles, with high numbers of sunspots seen at their peak.

We are now at what should be the peak of what scientists call ‘Cycle 24’ – which is why last week’s solar storm resulted in sightings of the aurora borealis further south than usual. But sunspot numbers are running at less than half those seen during cycle peaks in the 20th Century.

Analysis by experts at NASA and the University of Arizona – derived from magnetic-field measurements 120,000 miles beneath the sun’s surface – suggest that Cycle 25, whose peak is due in 2022, will be a great deal weaker still.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ight-Thames-freezing-again.html#ixzz1krBg2kAa

Ok, wth is this article?? I went to the Met Office and the CRU at East Anglia websites, and they report nothing of the sort there. Both sites confirm rising temperatures, with maximums in the past ten years. I didn't have to cherry pick, the stuff is front and center when you follow the world climate links.

 

[Mav88]

I have to agree that few people think the solar minimum will actually cause another ice age. We don't even know if this is another maunder minimum yet, we'll have to wait about 15 more years to know for sure.

 

[Ricter]

As far as I can see, by going to the sources, the article's claim about the Met Office and the CRU is a lie. Then it attempts to explain the lie with some other causation, solar output. But this morning's news has:

Fox News (volcanoes):
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/31/volcanoes-may-have-sparked-little-ice-age/

Live Science (on solar output):
http://www.livescience.com/14453-sunspots-solar-dimming-ice-age.html

 

[futurecurrents]

Here's an interesting chart that may add some clarity. From it one can see that the inter-glacial periods are highly correlated to orbit eccentricity.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Milankovitch_Variations.png

Here's one that shows sunspots, CO2 and temps


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Temp-sunspot-co2.svg

 

[Haroki]

Quote from 377OHMS:

Hmm, self-loathing.

That does kind of circle back to liberalism doesn't it?

Yep.

The basis of liberalism is the white man's self loathing for being given advantages in life...

 

[futurecurrents]

From a guy who knows something about the sun..




Sami Solanki, the director of the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany said:
The sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures... the brighter sun and higher levels of so-called "greenhouse gases" both contributed to the change in the Earth's temperature, but it was impossible to say which had the greater impact.[71]
Nevertheless, Solanki agrees with the scientific consensus that the marked upswing in temperatures since about 1980 is attributable to human activity.
"Just how large this role [of solar variation] is, must still be investigated, since, according to our latest knowledge on the variations of the solar magnetic field, the significant increase in the Earth’s temperature since 1980 is indeed to be ascribed to the greenhouse effect caused by carbon dioxide."[72]

 

[pspr]

Quote from futurecurrents:

Here's an interesting chart that may add some clarity. From it one can see that the inter-glacial periods are highly correlated to orbit eccentricity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Milankovitch_Variations.png

Here's one that shows sunspots, CO2 and temps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Temp-sunspot-co2.svg

Your first chart shows little if any correlation.

Your second chart is too short and does not include long enough cycles to provide correlation. The chart below is more telling.

<img src="http://www.paulmacrae.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/sunspots-from-wermenhcom.jpg">

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from pspr:

Your first chart shows little if any correlation.

Your second chart is too short and does not include long enough cycles to provide correlation. The chart below is more telling.

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You don't see correlation between the glacial cycles and eccentricity in the first chart?

 

[futurecurrents]

And despite the disinformation out there, this is still valid and recently proven even more so.

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/images/paleo-temps.jpg

 

[pspr]

Quote from futurecurrents:

And despite the disinformation out there, this is still valid and recently proven even more so.

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/images/paleo-temps.jpg

LOL

I have no desire to continue an AGW discussion with you since you cannot accept factual evidence. You can only see selected data and selected time frames to promote your incorrect assumptions. I'm sorrry but you are just too ignorant to continue to talk with on this subject.